Barnes to Phoenix

Well, we can cool the Matt Barnes to the Wizards speculation because Barnes, who ignited his once-flagging career in Golden State two years ago while playing Nellie-ball, agreed to a one-year, $1.2 million deal with the Phoenix Suns yesterday, according to various outlets.

Don Nelson appeared to cool on Barnes last season and the free agent swingman hit the free agent market only to find slight interest. He will take a hefty paycut considering that his base salary was $3 million last season but the market was drying up rapidly and he must have decided to jump on an offer before it went cold completely.

Remember, this is a guy who was in the D-League a few years ago and was jettisoned from a bad Knicks team and then a bad Sixers team during the 2005-2006 season before finding a (brief) home in Golden State where Nellie fell out of love with him last season.

After averaging 9.8 points per game during the 2006-2007 season and putting up 11.1 points and making 42.2 percent of his 3's during Golden State's magical playoff run in 2007, Barnes fell out of Nelson's rotation last season and wound up averaging 6.7 points, 4.4 rebounds and 1.9 assists while shooting 42.3 percent.

The interesting thing about this move is that just yesterday in Las Vegas, I held a lengthy conversation with a Western Conference scout and the subject of Barnes came up. The scout examined Barnes last summer when he was a free agent and was trying to parlay his strong playoff performance into a full mid-level exception. (he wound up returning to GS). The scout advised his team not to bite.

"He had a nice run two years agao with Golden State but you have to be careful about guys like that," the scout said. "That is a unique system and Barnes fit what Nellie was doing that year with small-ball. They got hot and everyone got excited but you have to look at how a guy like that fits into what you do."

The Wizards, who have about $1.5 million left under the luxury tax threshold, had internal discussions about Barnes but obviously weren't that interested. Perhaps the team likes what it has seen out of Dominic McGuire this summer and believes he can be Caron Butler's steady backup at the three spot?

McGuire, who had a very solid summer league, seems to think so. (By the way, I made a mistake in today's article on summer league. It is McGuire, not Blatche, who returned to San Diego after the last game to await the birth of his first child. That's on me.)

"I want to be this team's defensive stopper at that (small forward spot)," said McGuire, who shot a crisp 62.5 percent from the field in five SL games and showed off a much improved mid-range jump shot. "I've worked so hard on my game this summer and I'm much more familiar with where I need to be on the floor. I think I can help this team."

If the Wiz are looking to add a high-energy, hustling 3-man who would come cheap, why not look at Awvee Storey? I ran into the former Wizard last night while checking in for my red eye from Vegas back to DC. Storey, who played with Milwaukee last season, is waiting to see whether or not the Bucks pick up his option. If not, he'll be free. Something tells me that Storey will be back with the Bucks though. He's a Scott Skiles kind of guy.

-Former GW star Pops Mensah-Bonsu had a strong summer league with Minnesota and is waiting to see if the Wolves or anything team brings an offer by tomorrow afternoon. Pops has deal in hand with a team in Europe and will sign it if no NBA teams steps up.
Also, former GW forward and former Wizard, Mike Hall, played with the Nuggets in summer league. Hall also has a deal on the table overseas and is waiting to see what the Nuggets want to do.

Wiz notes:
The Wizards are holding a press conference to officially announce the signing of Gilbert Arenas tomorrow at the VC....Congratulations are in order for assistant athletic trainer Ernest Eugene, who has left to take the position of head athletic trainer for the Marquette men's basketball program. Good luck Double E, lay off the beer and brats buddy...

By Ivan Carter |  July 21, 2008; 9:05 AM ET
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Nice story Ivan.

I was kind of hoping it was Blatche having his first child as that may have up'd his maturity level even more. In any case, I'm happy for DMac.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 9:48 AM

Awvee Storey?? That's a good one, Ivan. You are soooo funny!!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 10:13 AM

thanks ivan you think that ernie will ending up signing a small forward somebody like devan george, devin brown or another free agent.

Posted by: brandon | July 21, 2008 10:15 AM

If the Wiz has any interest at all, he certainly would have been a upgrade and he came cheap, it seems, if the Ariz. Rep. article was accurate.

"In his seventh NBA season, Barnes is expected to make $1.2 million, but the Suns will pay only $797,000. The rest will come from a league fund."

That surely fits into the cap situation.

Posted by: daydreamer | July 21, 2008 10:18 AM

ivan i think ernie might be thinking about signing devin brown here was a guy when deshawn was doing his contract to come back to the team. i think you reported that you saw devin brown walking around dc. so you think devin brown could be a good fit.

Posted by: brandon | July 21, 2008 10:25 AM

How about bringing some charater and double fist pounds to the head here to DC and sign Darius Miles?? Yeah!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 10:42 AM

gil actually was taking a paycut to help our team to add a guy who can help at the 3 but b/c of a guy named Pollin, who is soo cheap in everyway, decide to lie and keep his word to everyone and gil by not signing any free agent that could help this team be better..and he said he want a damn championship!, thats ridiculous old man!, I THINK GIL REALIZE NOW THAT HE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN ALL THE $126 MIL IN THE FIRST PLACE!! we gonna sign storey instead of barnes, i mean u kiddin me right??? i thought we gonna sign someone that could help us more instead of this junk guy named s.t.o.r.e.y. , im really piss off with this old man named Polliner

Posted by: ak47 | July 21, 2008 10:48 AM

gil actually was taking a paycut to help our team to add a guy who can help at the 3 but b/c of a guy named Pollin, who is soo cheap in everyway, decide to lie and not keep his word to everyone and gil by not signing any free agent that could help this team be better..and he said he want a damn championship!, thats ridiculous old man!, I THINK GIL REALIZE NOW THAT HE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN ALL THE $126 MIL IN THE FIRST PLACE!! we gonna sign storey instead of barnes, i mean u kiddin me right??? i thought we gonna sign someone that could help us more instead of this junk guy named s.t.o.r.e.y. , im really piss off with this old man named Polliner

Posted by: ak47 | July 21, 2008 10:50 AM

Barnes is not as good a player as McGuire, IMHO. We need to chillax on the free agent speculation and roll with McGuire as the backup at SF. When Caron gets hurt again this year, McGuire should be able to step in. While he won't have the overall game that CB has, he's probably better defensively and is a better rebounder. While he's prone to making some turnovers due to inexperience, he's a decent passer and handles the ball about as well as CB. We drop off on offense but improve on defense. Not too bad.
It's AB's time to do some things. No more talk about him earning minutes. There are tons of guys with less promise who have been starters for years. Let him play through his mistakes and give him a consistent 20-25 minutes per game. He's ahead of NY on the learning curve. It's tyime to take advantage of his skills and start reaping the dividends.

Posted by: mark | July 21, 2008 10:52 AM

Barnes is not as good a player as McGuire, IMHO. We need to chillax on the free agent speculation and roll with McGuire as the backup at SF. When Caron gets hurt again this year, McGuire should be able to step in. While he won't have the overall game that CB has, he's probably better defensively and is a better rebounder. While he's prone to making some turnovers due to inexperience, he's a decent passer and handles the ball about as well as CB. We drop off on offense but improve on defense. Not too bad.
It's AB's time to do some things. No more talk about him earning minutes. There are tons of guys with less promise who have been starters for years. Let him play through his mistakes and give him a consistent 20-25 minutes per game. He's ahead of NY on the learning curve. It's tyime to take advantage of his skills and start reaping the dividends.

Posted by: mark | July 21, 2008 10:52 AM

but u have to remember that mcguire played well only in the summer league...IN THE SUMMER LEAGUE!! everybody that i didnt'heard of before play well in this league, the reall game is in the NBA season and thats where barnes already has a lot of experience. a guy who played well in the summer league mostly didn't translate into a regular season (like pech last year) signing barnes for like what 1.2 mil isn't hurt our cap at all, i don't know why we didn't sign other free agents at the 3, i guess b/c pollin is being so cheap

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 10:58 AM

gil actually was taking a paycut to help our team to add a guy who can help at the 3 but b/c of a guy named Pollin, who is soo cheap in everyway, decide to lie and not keep his word to everyone and gil by not signing any free agent that could help this team be better..and he said he want a damn championship!, thats ridiculous old man!, I THINK GIL REALIZE NOW THAT HE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN ALL THE $126 MIL IN THE FIRST PLACE!! we gonna sign storey instead of barnes, i mean u kiddin me right??? i thought we gonna sign someone that could help us more instead of this junk guy named s.t.o.r.e.y. , im really piss off with this old man named Polliner


Posted by: ak47 | July 21, 2008 10:50 AM

Posted by: ak47 | July 21, 2008 11:00 AM

gil actually was taking a paycut to help our team to add a guy who can help at the 3 but b/c of a guy named Pollin, who is soo cheap in everyway, decide to lie and not keep his word to everyone and gil by not signing any free agent that could help this team be better..and he said he want a damn championship!, thats ridiculous old man!, I THINK GIL REALIZE NOW THAT HE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN ALL THE $126 MIL IN THE FIRST PLACE!! we gonna sign storey instead of barnes, i mean u kiddin me right??? i thought we gonna sign someone that could help us more instead of this junk guy named s.t.o.r.e.y. , im really piss off with this old man named Polliner


Posted by: ak47 | July 21, 2008 10:50 AM

Posted by: ak47 | July 21, 2008 11:00 AM

gil actually was taking a paycut to help our team to add a guy who can help at the 3 but b/c of a guy named Pollin, who is soo cheap in everyway, decide to lie and not keep his word to everyone and gil by not signing any free agent that could help this team be better..and he said he want a damn championship!, thats ridiculous old man!, I THINK GIL REALIZE NOW THAT HE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN ALL THE $126 MIL IN THE FIRST PLACE!! we gonna sign storey instead of barnes, i mean u kiddin me right??? i thought we gonna sign someone that could help us more instead of this junk guy named s.t.o.r.e.y. , im really piss off with this old man named Polliner


Posted by: ak47 | July 21, 2008 10:50 AM

Posted by: ak47 | July 21, 2008 11:00 AM

gil actually was taking a paycut to help our team to add a guy who can help at the 3 but b/c of a guy named Pollin, who is soo cheap in everyway, decide to lie and not keep his word to everyone and gil by not signing any free agent that could help this team be better..and he said he want a damn championship!, thats ridiculous old man!, I THINK GIL REALIZE NOW THAT HE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN ALL THE $126 MIL IN THE FIRST PLACE!! we gonna sign storey instead of barnes, i mean u kiddin me right??? i thought we gonna sign someone that could help us more instead of this junk guy named s.t.o.r.e.y. , im really piss off with this old man named Polliner


Posted by: ak47 | July 21, 2008 10:50 AM

Posted by: ak47 | July 21, 2008 11:00 AM

Storey and Hall? Someone see if we can round up Booth and Ruffin while we are at it. I thought we were not going to waste spots on scrubs who couldnt get a spot on any other team. Thats not a championship or even a second round strategy.

Posted by: Emmet | July 21, 2008 11:00 AM

Storey and Hall? Someone see if we can round up Booth and Ruffin while we are at it. I thought we were not going to waste spots on scrubs who couldnt get a spot on any other team. Thats not a championship or even a second round strategy.

HEY, WAIT A SEC, ITS A LOTTERY STRATEGY!!

Posted by: ak47 | July 21, 2008 11:01 AM

Barnes is not as good a player as McGuire, IMHO. We need to chillax on the free agent speculation and roll with McGuire as the backup at SF. When Caron gets hurt again this year, McGuire should be able to step in. While he won't have the overall game that CB has, he's probably better defensively and is a better rebounder. While he's prone to making some turnovers due to inexperience, he's a decent passer and handles the ball about as well as CB. We drop off on offense but improve on defense. Not too bad.
It's AB's time to do some things. No more talk about him earning minutes. There are tons of guys with less promise who have been starters for years. Let him play through his mistakes and give him a consistent 20-25 minutes per game. He's ahead of NY on the learning curve. It's tyime to take advantage of his skills and start reaping the dividends.

Posted by: mark | July 21, 2008 10:52 AM

but u have to remember that mcguire played well only in the summer league...IN THE SUMMER LEAGUE!! everybody that i didnt'heard of before play well in this league, the reall game is in the NBA season and thats where barnes already has a lot of experience. a guy who played well in the summer league mostly didn't translate into a regular season (like pech last year) signing barnes for like what 1.2 mil isn't hurt our cap at all, i don't know why we didn't sign other free agents at the 3, i guess b/c pollin is being so cheap

Posted by: | July 21, 2008 10:58 AM

Posted by: ak47 | July 21, 2008 11:02 AM

...and let's stop with the Garnett comparisons with AB. He's a different type of player. He's more of a SF than PF. In fact, if he worked on his range just a little, he'd be able to handle the 2. I can't think of too many 6'11" guys who can pass the ball like he does. He's also probably about as good as Jared Jeffries at handling the ball and we had the 6'10" JJ bringing the ball up court at times. The kid is straight up talented. Hopefully he's maturing and at the point where his game starts to overshadow the off the field stuff.

This is what I see in a few years.

Gil at the 1
AB at the 2
DM at the 3
J.McGee at the 4
Dwight Howard at the 5


BTH - traded for DH
AJ - traded for DH
CB - traded for DH
NY - first guard off the bench

I know. I know. I'm tripping. Look at the defensive potential in that lineup, though. nice !

Posted by: mark | July 21, 2008 11:03 AM

yeah ak47 I know it's only summer league. But Barnes had one decent year and is a system player. I never got really fired up about getting him. I agree that Gil should have taken all of the money. Though ppl keep reminding me that it's about the length of the contract and not just his year, what he gave up is 12th man money. It was a noble gesture but ultimately probably does't buy us much in terms of talent whether it's this year or year 6 of his contract. ...just my opinion.

I'm with you that we should have done something with that money besides Dee Brown. Even Tyronne Lue would have been better since he provides veteran leadership.

Posted by: mark | July 21, 2008 11:07 AM

yeah ak47 I know it's only summer league. But Barnes had one decent year and is a system player. I never got really fired up about getting him. I agree that Gil should have taken all of the money. Though ppl keep reminding me that it's about the length of the contract and not just his year, what he gave up is 12th man money. It was a noble gesture but ultimately probably does't buy us much in terms of talent whether it's this year or year 6 of his contract. ...just my opinion.

I'm with you that we should have done something with that money besides Dee Brown. Even Tyronne Lue would have been better since he provides veteran leadership.

Posted by: mark | July 21, 2008 11:07 AM

i think gil would have feel like he was being backstab too..we never gonna win a championship if we r gonna be so cheap

Posted by: ak47 | July 21, 2008 11:12 AM

I don't think EG was all that impressed with Matt Barnes or they would have signed him for that kind of money. Possibly Devin Brown is an option and the Wiz are waiting until his price tag drops. The fact that Barnes accepted the NBA minimum to go to Phoenix where he may get no PT says something about his value.

Wasn't Avey Storee the guy who got Gil arrested in South Beach a couple summers ago because he wouldn't move his car? I doubt the Wiz want his influence in the locker room with all of the kids.

I don't see the Wiz panicking at this point and see some changes being made prior to training camp. Probably EG and EJ wanted to see how Blatche, Maguire, and NY progressed in summer league...looks like Maguire may be read to contribute, but NY doesn't. Looks like he still has many of the same flaws he had as a rookie.

Posted by: wizfan89 | July 21, 2008 11:26 AM

Dee Brown is just a cheap version of Tyron Lue, but also faster and younger. T Lue can't create shots, neither can D Brown. Occasionally makes a drive to the basket but pass out to the wing, cause he's too short to see through the upraised arms. D Brown does that too.

I'm not saying that D Brown is the guy, there must be better alternatives out there. But T Lue ain't it.

Posted by: A Nony Mouse | July 21, 2008 11:32 AM

Wizfan89, If AB and DM pan out, we should be able to wait on NY to develop. Though SG is probably our biggest area of need, we can get by with one weak link as long as our others are strong. At least that's what I'm hoping.

Posted by: mark | July 21, 2008 11:33 AM

How will hiring another undersized 6'5" SF be an improvement? There's a reason Cleveland won't take Devin Brown back at the price he wants.

Posted by: A Nony Mouse | July 21, 2008 11:34 AM

Regarding Matt Barnes, read what IC wrote... EG looked at Barnes and clearly decided to spend the money ($1.5 million or thereabouts) elsewhere. If we had wanted him we could have gotten him for a penny or two more than Phoenix did.

If the Wizards go with DMac as the primary back up to Caron at the 3 and give NY more minutes to develop at the 2, both reasonable decisions, then what the team needs is some experienced offense-minded swingman insurance, as an alternative to DMac when we want baskets or to NY if he does not deliver.

Available and with proven higher upsides than Barnes -- Bonzi Wells (pending a check of his fuel level), Eric Piatkowski (the man can score at will) and Bostian Nachbar (my choice). If Dallas cuts James Singleton, he would rate a look also.

Addressing the other issue raised earlier, Dee Brown vs T Lue, this is apples vs oranges. Dee Brown, if he sticks as the 3rd point, will cost around $500,000. T Lue would have cost more than 3 times as much, making it impossible to spend the $1.5 million we will need to pay a decent swingman.

EG is placing his bets in the rght place and he has the money he need to make the type of move he will almost certainly make.

Posted by: khrabb | July 21, 2008 12:01 PM

Tyronn Lue can hit a 3 though...Dee Brown pt. 2 can't.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=0489

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 21, 2008 12:01 PM

Agreed, Mr. Mouse. Lue and D Bown are the same player essentially...3rd stringers who will in all likelihood never see the court.

Posted by: mark | July 21, 2008 12:02 PM

Tyrone Lue has 2 championship rings, played in 18 playoff games, been a STARTER for several teams and people here don't want him as a 3RD STRING PG. I just don't get it.

Posted by: Dave, | July 21, 2008 12:03 PM

I'm betting EG is praying that the free agents out there sign up quick. That way, he won't look like a GM with his hands tied and a plain ole cheapo.

The list of excuses for not signing someone gets old.

DMac being able to get PT from EJ, nevermind playing well as a backup for Caron, is a pipe dream at best.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 21, 2008 12:04 PM

Take a look at another viewpoint of the highs and lows of the LVSL.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/chris_mannix/07/20/vegas.recap/index.html

He loved Bayless, but check out what he says about Jason Smith of Philly. There's a logjam at PF now that Brand has been inked(Smith and Reggie Evans) and he thinks Philly could deal one or both. Smith's contract calls for him to be paid $1.3M this year and $1.4M and $2.2M the following two years. Think it's worthwhile to pursue and if so, is there enough room under the cap?

After looking at this quote below, it's hard to believe Philly would even consider dealing him, especially with the contract they have him signed to.

Here's what the article says about Smith:
"Several scouts were impressed by Smith's improved ability to knock down the mid-range jump shot with regularity.

"He's a starter in this league," an Eastern Conference scout said. "No question."

It also lists the writer's all-Vegas team.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 12:06 PM

Nachbar just signed a contract to play overseas:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3497994

Piatkowski is 38 years old, didn't play any defense even when he was young, and hasn't played meaningful minutes in the NBA in 3 or 4 years.

Wells is way outside of the Wizards price range.

Posted by: kalorama | July 21, 2008 12:08 PM

Yeah I thought about Awvee Storey too. He wouldn't be a bad guy to add to the end of the bench IMO. I do also like Mike Hall.

But we are talking about a 3rd string end of the bench reserve at this point so it doesn't matter too much. I suppose I'd rather see McGuire get the opportunity to play than pick up someone that would push him back to 3rd string riding the bench. He's got the ability and just needs to get on the court to develop, so in the end maybe this is a good thing.

Also keep in mind Antawn can play SF, and may even be better suited there than PF. So he can essentially be the main backup to Caron by just sliding Jamison to SF and coming in with either Blatche or Songaila at the 4. This will essentially open more PT for Blatche, which again is a good thing IMO. Basically Jamison starts, then once he comes out to rest, he then re-enters the game and continues the rest of the game as essentially a 6th man to come in at either PF or SF depending on if you want to sit SF Butler or PF (Blatche or Songaila). That way Jamison starts and gets his minutes, but we take advantage of his "tweener" game and versatility basically using him as a 6th man the rest of the game. So as far as our depth we basically have Jamison, Blatche and Songaila at PF and Caron, Jamison and McGuire at SF.

All of this, plus the loss of Mason all leads to increased playing time for the "new Big 3" of Blatche, McGuire and Young. Everyone complains about Eddie not playing the young guys, so now this team is built for these guys to get more run by letting go of Mason and not signing a guy like Matt Barnes. But we still have reliable vets to fall back on in Etan, Darius and Daniels which is a good thing.

Posted by: Darnell | July 21, 2008 12:19 PM

I've read the quotes from Ivan saying that EG isn't completely against going over the lux tax to sign somebody, but he'll only do it if the guy is truly worth it (will put this team over the top).

I'm curious, what would be the maximum contract that we could sign by going over the lux tax? Which players would be in this range?

Posted by: psps23 | July 21, 2008 12:24 PM

Gary Forbes has more potential than Brown or Awvee. He can penetrate & pass and has a nice touch from the outside. Still needs to finish strong around the basket but has skills that most rooks don't have like the ability to break down the defense.

Think Portland will take NY & Dee Brown for Jerryd Bayless? Lets make a deal!!!

Posted by: Derek | July 21, 2008 12:30 PM

And we have the same setup also at the SG spot. Basically we can slide over Gil to SG and come in with the steady and reliable Antonio Daniels as an alternative to the unreliable streaky Nick Young. So behind Deshawn at the 2 we can come in with NY or AD (and slide Gil to SG where he can go into scoring mode).

All in all our roster is set up pretty well, and we are deep at every position. Barring injury that is.

Posted by: Darnell | July 21, 2008 12:30 PM

Yeah I think Forbes will be a training camp invite and given a chance to make the team, based on the pt he got in Vegas the Wizards brass seems to like him.

psps23, the max contract we could sign someone for (going over the lux tax threshold) would be the full MLE which we still have available.

Posted by: Darnell | July 21, 2008 12:35 PM

I just love reading these comments from some of you basketball experts, scouts and GM's.

Posted by: Skyerocket1969 | July 21, 2008 1:36 PM

khrabb, that's assuming that a swing player is what we are looking for. BTW, do we even know whether EG is looking for someone or not? I guess we all assumed that since Gil gave up some money, we were in the market for a player. That may not even be the case. We could all be here speculating while EG and EJ are set with the roster as it is now. One thing I read in Ivan's article that raised my eyebrow is that Pech is a lock for the roster. Looking at our lineup, who would we sit down if we were to sign someone? The top 12 guys listed below are the 12 that should dress for every game, IMO. If we had signed Barnes, for example, which of the twelve below would have been pushed to the inactive/not dressing list?

Gil,AJ,CB,DS,BTH,NY,AD,DSong,AB,DM,McGee,Etan,Dee Brown,Pech.

I thought that only 12 could dress and 15 could be on the roster. So who are the odd men out that never see any PT except on the practice court?

My guess would be Dee Brown and Pech. Surely we aren't going to make McGee inactive so that he never even gets a taste of the big time are we?

Posted by: mark | July 21, 2008 1:39 PM

I like the way you think, Darnell. (Besides the Forbes endorsement. I didnt see anything from him.) AJ should be a 6th man.

Posted by: mark | July 21, 2008 1:42 PM

Teams can move players on and off the inactive list on a game-by-game basis, so it's not like whoever gets put on it at the beginning of the season is destined to stay there until the end. Odds are that everyone outside of the top 8 or 9 players in the rotation will see time out he inactive list throughout the year.

Posted by: kalorama | July 21, 2008 1:51 PM

Dee Brown is just a cheap version of Tyron Lue, but also faster and younger. T Lue can't create shots, neither can D Brown. Occasionally makes a drive to the basket but pass out to the wing, cause he's too short to see through the upraised arms. D Brown does that too.

I'm not saying that D Brown is the guy, there must be better alternatives out there. But T Lue ain't it.

Posted by: A Nony Mouse | July 21, 2008 11:32 AM

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'll take a Tyronne Lue clone for the 3rd Point Guard on the Wizards ANY DAY !!

I mean, we're talking about THE 3RD POINT GUARD here!

Posted by: Rook | July 21, 2008 1:56 PM

Thanks for the update, Kalorama

Congrats to Nachbar... He found the pot of gold (as did Carlos Delfino) in Moscow, $9 million, no taxes... just the salaries of a few bodyguards... and a certain degree of risk if he fails to produce. :-)

Agree with you that Piatkowski is old and nothing more or less than a shooter... but
that may be all the insurance we need for Nick Young though.

Bonzi has no takers yet so he may not be out of the Wizards price range if it turns out (like U.S. real estate) to be a buyer's market. Would you agree that if we could get him for $1.5 million, that it might be money well spent?

The Lue vs Brown stuff continues. Here's how it works. Yes, Lue has two rings, plus he played here previuously and we know he is MORE than adequate as a third point guard (though for the sake of argument we should also agree that Antonio Daniels is way better as the primary back up at that position... Daniels basically was brought here to be a major upgrade over Lue). Lue may well be, and in fact probably is, better than Dee Brown at this point. The issue is, as always, money.

You're the GM. You have $2 million to spend on 2 role players who will fill specific key gaps in your roster. Do you pay Lue $1.5 million and use the change to buy back up strength at the wing (an undrafted free-agent is all you can afford), or pay Dee Brown $500K to be the back-up point and hope that you can pick up a low-risk high-gain small forward /off-guard for the bigger piece.

The Wizards GM has placed his bets, the larger wager will be on a swingman. And it should be... I mean how much should you spend to back up Gilbert and Antonio? Last year the team invested all of two 10-day contracts on a 3rd point guard and still made the playoffs when Gilbert went down. That scenario almost wore down Daniels, however, and the team's ambitions are higher, so clearly the Wizards needed to spend a little more for a full-time third-stringer... but not all that much. Dee Brown is going to do just FINE.

Posted by: khrabb | July 21, 2008 1:59 PM

Apparently, Forbes was a beast at the pre-draft camp for what it's worth. His stat sheet was impressive as it was against Ohio State and Florida last year. He was expected to get drafte in the second round. Don't know what happened. Might be a decent pick up. What happened with Elegar?

Posted by: LK | July 21, 2008 1:59 PM

If Storey were to be signed, the team would need to invest in helmets with face guards for all the other players to wear in practice. Not sure if Ernie wants to spend that kind of money.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 1:59 PM

Right, Kal. So why is anyone upset or surprised that we haven't signed anyone of note? Usually aren't the active/inactive lists relatively constant because the best players are always active?
If that is the case, which regular would be spending more time on the inactive list? Definitely not DSong. More than likely it would be McGee. This might hinder his growth a bit. You gotta get in the game, get over the fear, and get accustomed to the pro game in order to improve.
Personally, I'm glad we haven't signed anyone.

Posted by: mark | July 21, 2008 2:00 PM

Khrabb, I worry about the positions where we seem to be most vulnerable. The odds of us needing a player are probably greater at PG. Gil is coming off an injury and AD is old.
CB is injury-prone but at least both AB and DMac can play those positions. I admit I'm a bit paranoid but I really would like to have a vet at the 3rd pg spot over a vet at the small forward spot. Didn't AB step in and play well for CB for a few games?

Posted by: mark | July 21, 2008 2:10 PM

To those who either (a) know about how the cap works better than I; or (b) those who think they do and can contribute something intelligent to the discussion, I have a question: I am assuming that Gil "leaving $16 mil on the table" really will benefit the team more and more in the coming few years, as the salary cap goes up... Am I right? Or will his salary escalate so quickly that the additional room each year be eaten up by his own increases?

Posted by: psdfx | July 21, 2008 2:25 PM

The stunning Josh Childress possibly going to Greece story, and others like this (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3497994) shows that the NBA might be about to face real competition for its players. If Childress goes to Greece, that could open the floodgates.

Note how Stern dismisses the issue in the above story. But privately he's got to be concerned. If players only play in the NBA at a discount off of what they could earn in Europe, that's a trend that could change the NBA as we know it rather quickly.

It will be interesting to see whether any big name free agents next summer look to Europe, even if only to raise their price here.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 2:46 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 2:47 PM

God, I hope Ernie cuts Dee Brown. He had a rough summer league, and seems to lack some of the little PG type of qualities....he made some poor decisions with the ball, has an adequate handle (at best), and didn't shoot particularly well. Not a great signing.

Posted by: Jason | July 21, 2008 2:51 PM

JJ Reddick is out there. Otis and Ernie should be talking. He's the new Tim Legler that we are missing. He can be the stop gap/replacement/3 point spark that enters on nights when D Stevenson & N Young don't have it going and we have favorable matchups at the 2.

Posted by: G$ | July 21, 2008 2:51 PM

JJ Reddick will be ballin overseas very soon.

Posted by: LooseCannon | July 21, 2008 2:55 PM

Reddick has shown a grand total of nothing to indicate he's an NBA caliber player.

Posted by: kalorama | July 21, 2008 3:14 PM

Thanks Mark! Yeah I wasn't actually endorsing Forbes, I didn't see anything from him in the summer games either and was not impressed. He missed some easy shots, and din't look too quick. Made some nice passes and seems to be a guy who can do alittle everything which I usually like. I was actually complaining about him starting and getting pt over McGee!!

But based on him starting the summer games and getting alot of minutes it seems to me the Wizards brass likes him and is looking to give him an opportunity to make the team. Based on that I assume he'll get a training camp invite, so we can see how he does in camp and possibly preseason. He was the Atlantic-10 Player of the Year, and reportedly one of the top players at the Portsmouth and Orlando predraft camps and was projected as a 2nd round pick.

Posted by: Darnell | July 21, 2008 3:20 PM

'Would you agree that if we could get him for $1.5 million, that it might be money well spent?"

Interesting question.

Wells is a high risk/medium reward player. He has a history of attitude, injury, and weight issues that serves as red flags, but when he's dialed in and engaged (which hasn't been that often) he's a solid, if not necessarily an impact, player.

If the Wiz could sign him to a 1-year deal it might work because he'd have the motivation to perform to improve his value next summer. But signing him to a multiple year deal at that price, might be tricky in terms of keeping him motivated.

Posted by: kalorama | July 21, 2008 3:21 PM

Here's the draftexpress scouting report on Forbes:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Gary-Forbes-5073/

Posted by: Darnell | July 21, 2008 3:22 PM

I would LOVE to get Childress!!

Posted by: Darnell | July 21, 2008 3:23 PM

JJ Head-dick has had his chance and done nothing with it.

Posted by: mark | July 21, 2008 3:24 PM

Reddick is a shooter. He's been a lame duck because the coaching staff in O-town have relegated him to the bench and spot duty. Because he spoke up publicly about his lack of playing time, they increased his time waving towels and warming the bench. I live in Tampa and regularly watch Orlando games on Sunshine. When the kid DOES get in, he still has a dead eye stroke. I'm not saying he'd be the savior or 2nd coming of Jeff Hornacek, but put the guy in the right situation as a 3rd option spot guy at the 2 with a pg like Arenas who can penetrate and kick (+ the motion and ball movement of the Princeton) and the guy might be at least worth a look. I hated the guy at Duke and despised his game but we have a need in DC for a 3 pt specialist and I don't see Craig Hodges or anybody else walking through that door for a price that's worth the taking.

Posted by: G$ | July 21, 2008 3:24 PM

If I was an NBA player and had a chance, I'd go overseas, too. I just got back from Europe and took a severe ass-whipping on the exchange rate. Is there any chance we can trade George Bush for somebody?

Posted by: mark | July 21, 2008 3:26 PM

I'm just hating on Redick. I think he'd be a decent catch and shoot guy on the right team, too.
The Duke guys get a lot of pub coming out of college and I'm a MD grad.

Posted by: mark | July 21, 2008 3:28 PM

"but put the guy in the right situation'

He IS in the right situation, on a playoff team with an all-star caliber big man who gets double teamed every time he catches the ball in the post. That's the ideal situation for a spot up shooter and he hasn't shown the ability to take advantage of it.

Posted by: kalorama | July 21, 2008 3:36 PM

Hall looked really good for us at summer league last year, and I like his game. He is kinda a Caron-lite type of player. Does a little of everything, rebounds and hustles. Good guy, and good sense of humor too, plus he's a local kid. I'd be glad if they picked him up.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 3:43 PM

I made that post above about Mike Hall! Forgot to put my name!

Posted by: Darnell | July 21, 2008 3:45 PM

My concern though is I was hoping to pick up a SG/SF type who can play both. If Stevenson got hurt we would only have NY at SG and that could be a problem. In fact considering Jamison can play SF, I'd say a dependable backup SG is more of a need. Someone like Roger Mason Jr.

Posted by: Darnell | July 21, 2008 3:47 PM

Re. players going overseas, some observations
Advantages:
- more money obviously, some of the teams provide net salaries (after tax) and free rented apartment, some also provide free car or team transportation when at home (sometimes beat up cars from what I can gather)
- less playing time, more practice. If the team participates in local league, Euro league/Euro cup, play more games of course but still less than 82 regular season NBA games
- which translates to less fatigue, less injuries
- nightlife :)
- opportunity to learn a new language/ new culture

Disadvantages:
- NBA teams lose sight of you, but less and less true these days ex. Jamario Moon
- strange language, different culture, comforts of home missing
- less personal freedom to walk around and go anywhere you like, depending on the country
- nightlife or lack of one in some cities
- the team OWNS you period. If you want out, you don't just pout and expect to get traded. You have to PAY your way out of your contract, or find another team who will buy your contract.
- Disruption to family: wife & kids

Neutral:
- Player may want to naturalize citizenship and play for the national team in the Olympics and World Championships ex. J.R. Holden (PG for Russian Olympic team), Becky Hammon (Russian women's Olympic), Travis Hansen (invited to try out for Russian Olympic team)

Posted by: rgz | July 21, 2008 3:54 PM

last comment on Reddick and I let it rest. Reddick does not get game time action in Orlando. That was why he went to the press and made his comments public. He played behind Jameer Nelson, Carlos Arroyo (another Wiz killer) and Keyon Dooling who they put at the point or 2 because of his versatility and defense. They also ran a lot of sets through Heido Turkglu. Orlando tried to convert Reddick so he could get minutes at the Point but his defensive deficiencies in guarding the scoring PG's in the East and/or the bigger 2 Guards (something most Eastern Conf teams have had trouble with including the Wiz) caused Brian Hill and Stan Van Gundy to have quick triggers regardless of whether or not Reddick got hot at the offensive end. Like I said, I'm not calling the guy the saviour at 2 but every team needs a spark off the bench who doesn't need major minutes to come in and score a few 3's and if the price is right + you have a player who is out to prove himself and plays with a chip, why not. Watch him end up in Phoenix, Dallas or Denver somewhere and be effective.

Posted by: G$ | July 21, 2008 4:00 PM

"the team OWNS you period. If you want out, you don't just pout and expect to get traded. You have to PAY your way out of your contract, or find another team who will buy your contract."

Posted by: rgz | July 21, 2008 3:54 PM


Not necessarily, rgz. Players don't HAVE to sign a contract with a hefty buyout, and don't have to sign long-term contracts. It's all a matter of negotiation.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 4:15 PM

I'll be too busy not watching play overseas when his NBA contract runs out and no other team signs him.

Posted by: kalorama | July 21, 2008 4:16 PM

"That's the ideal situation for a spot up shooter and he hasn't shown the ability to take advantage of it"

Should be an ideal situation if he's able to get some PT. Problem is the Magic has loads of shooters and 2s that they don't have enough PT to accomodate JJ. The Wiz meantime lacks outside shooters (not scorers mind you). They will surely benefit if they sign him.


Posted by: Dave | July 21, 2008 4:23 PM

"- the team OWNS you period. If you want out, you don't just pout and expect to get traded. You have to PAY your way out of your contract, or find another team who will buy your contract."

It states, quite clearly, in the article on Childress that the deal he's being offered in Greece gives him the right to return to the NBA over the next two years.

Posted by: kalorama | July 21, 2008 4:24 PM

Same applies to Abe/EG:

------------------------------------------

Sunderland, Md: What's your prediction....is Favre a Redskin this year or not?

Jason La Canfora: I still say no, but if the QBs look poor in the first 3 games and its mid-August and Favre is dangling for a mid-round pick ... well, never say never with the Redskins. You can't believe much of what Vinny Cerrato often says, even when it's on the record.

Overall, though, I doubt it. I keep hearing Baltimore and Miami.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 21, 2008 4:25 PM

"Problem is the Magic has loads of shooters and 2s that they don't have enough PT to accomodate JJ."

And, given the lest than stellar quality of most of the guys ahead of him, his inability to crack the depth chart says something about how good he is (or isn't). Seriously, Keyon Dooling and Keith Bogans aren't exactly giant killers. If he's as great a shooter as he's being pumped up to be, he'd have elbowed his way into some PT, even with his defensive deficiencies. The knock on him coming out of college was that his slow feet and slow release would make it tough for him to get his shot off in the NBA. If he'd done anything to dispute that he wouldn't be nailed to the bench in Orlando.

Posted by: kalorama | July 21, 2008 4:30 PM

Anyway, I'm done talking about Reddick. He's not coming to the Wizards in any case.

Posted by: kalorama | July 21, 2008 4:43 PM

If you have a friction with your coach (legitimate or not) you won't get much PT. As what happened (and still happening) with BTH vs. EJ. I'm still not sold on JJ to be a bust.

Again, we are not talking about a player who'll be in the starting five or better yet a back-up 2. We are talking of a player who will be the 3rd option and maybe get around 5-10 mins.

Funny how people mentions about the team having a lot of holes and at the same time seems to be contented with the team's line-up.

Posted by: Dave, | July 21, 2008 4:43 PM

JJ Redick may or may not have the skills to be a complete NBA player, but what he can do is put the ball into the hoop.

The Wiz need a guy like a Steve Kerr, Legler, John Paxson, Kapono, etc. who is a 3 pt specialist and is just able to hit long bombs to keep the defense honest.

His 3 pt. FG% is better than anyone on the Wiz except for NY who hit .400 last season.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 21, 2008 4:49 PM

"Funny how people mentions about the team having a lot of holes and at the same time seems to be contented with the team's line-up."

Just because there are holes to fill doesn't mean they can be filled by the first player who comes along at the right price. It was that kind of "management" that resulted in the bad old days under Unseld.

Posted by: kalorama | July 21, 2008 4:51 PM

"His 3 pt. FG% is better than anyone on the Wiz except for NY who hit .400 last season."

Which might mean something if he ever played in anything other than garbage time against the other team's 3rd string scrubs.

Posted by: kalorama | July 21, 2008 4:54 PM

"Just because there are holes to fill doesn't mean they can be filled by the first player who comes along at the right price"

So you said NO to Reddick, Posey, Barnes, Lue, Hayes and many others who have been in the league many years. So can you give me a D-leaguer you think will at-least fills out the holes in the team? One name will do.

Posted by: Dave, | July 21, 2008 4:58 PM

As always Darnell was spot on in his observations at 12:19. Based on the progression last year when McGuire started to gain Eddie's confidence down the stretch I thing he and Blatche are both destined for bigger roles this year.

Signing some of these guys that are out there would possibly setback those two guys development. There are also a few guys out there hoping for camp invites that had a nice showing in summer league.

A three point marksman would be nice, but Reddick hasn't proven he can really defend in the NBA, I'd say he's another Dukie bound for Europe.

Posted by: GM | July 21, 2008 5:00 PM

I must have missed the memo that said a player's value is determined by how many years he's been in the league. I must have also missed the memo that says just because a few randomly thrown out names are bad fits then the D-league is the only other option. I must have also missed the memo that said a bad signing is better than none at all.

I really need to start getting those memos.

Posted by: kalorama | July 21, 2008 5:04 PM

Kalorama, you are just insufferable. No wonder you have so much time to post.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 5:21 PM

Kalorama is arguing about guys playing in front of Reddick in Orlando. He is missing my point. Bogans& Dooling can defend and they are bigger guards....that along with the fact that the coach/gm are against the kid has relegated him to the bench. There isn't a Magic player other than Rashard Lewis who can hit a 3 better than JJ. His release has never been questioned. His height probably has been and his toughness. They tried to turn the kid into something he is not. Good GM's and coaches use players to their strengths. Chuck Daly and Phil Jackson never asked Rodman to score. He was a rebounder, a defender & a hustle guy who knew his role and only occasionally drifted. You offset Reddick's deficiencies when you have a point and a 3 who can both spread the floor, drive the lane and kick. We have that in a healthy Arenas. I'm not saying bring Reddick in to be a defensive stopper. The situation is such that we don't have a lot of payroll left and we have (as i have to agree with DC Man for once and Dave) a NEED for a 3 point specialist. We don't need Reddick for defense. We don't need him to handle the rock or set the offense. We don't need his feet to be quick, etc., etc.....we need a dead eye shooter who can come off the bench/screens/or spot up on the break and be a spark....give us 3 points at one end, especially in those games where we are behind by 13 in the 4th. 3's can get you back in the game if the other team is shooting 2's and give Eddie Jordan the option to actually have to coach a close game during a comeback. Reddick is streaky too. I'm a terp fan and I've seen the kid light it up too many times to knock the stroke. oh and if Reddick happens to be fouled on an attempt from 2 or 3, the guy is automatic at the charity stripe.

Posted by: G$ | July 21, 2008 5:24 PM

No memos needed....just common sense :-)

Can't think of at least one name that the team needs..Tsk tsk.

Posted by: Dave, | July 21, 2008 5:27 PM

It states, quite clearly, in the article on Childress that the deal he's being offered in Greece gives him the right to return to the NBA over the next two years.

Posted by: kalorama | July 21, 2008 4:24 PM
How true, with enough clout the bigger name players have some nice clauses in their contracts. Maybe they will set the trend for all of the Americans going abroad to play? Supposedly Jennings also has a similar clause in his proferred two year contract.

Of course I generalize. So we know from IC that VV for example has a buyout clause with his team BC Khimki, as Navarro had with his Spanish team.
I also refer to the fact that basketball players like soccer players are treated as assets in Europe. Their contracts are tradeable for money. Most players' contracts allow the players to buy their own contract. Buying a soccer player's contract for $20M is not unknown, if that is what his contract says he will be paid over a number of years, plus an amount that reflects his value to the team. Teams loan out their contract players (team probably gets compensated, I don't think the player gets anything extra), so example Pech was loaned to a French team by BC Kiev in 2006. There is no players union protecting their interests, and there are multiple leagues in different countries.

But also, their behavior and movements are more controlled by the team depending on the country they live in. Obviously if they live and work in a country like Germany, the are absolutely free to come and go as they please during their off hours. In Turkey, Russia, and other places like China (Americans play basketball there too) maybe not so much?

Posted by: rgz | July 21, 2008 5:39 PM

but u have to remember that mcguire played well only in the summer league...IN THE SUMMER LEAGUE!!

Posted by: | July 21, 2008 10:58 AM

it's true. but he does have promise, and he's shown that he can back it up. There was the game in Toronto where he grabbed 10 boards in 22 minutes. That's pretty sick.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=280129027

Posted by: Chris | July 21, 2008 5:47 PM

"His release has never been questioned."

Go back and read some of the pre-draft evaluations of him coming out of college.

"Bogans& Dooling can defend and they are bigger guards"

Reddick is listed at 6' 4", Bogans at 6' 5", Dooling at 6' 3". And you gloss over defense like it's a minor thing. Reddick is a lousy defender. Given that and the fact that he can't create his own shot, why do the Wizards need him? What's he going to give them that they can't already get from Nick Young as their backup SG? Why, exactly, do they need another 1-dimensional, no defense playing gunner on the team?

"that along with the fact that the coach/gm are against the kid "

Just because they've nailed him to the bench and won't (A) just release him and eat the rest of his contract or (B) trade him in a deal that doesn't favor the Magic hardly stands as prima facie evidence that they've got it in for him. It could be (and almost certainly is) that he's just not good enough to crack the rotation. Period. It doesn't have to be any more insidious than that.

Posted by: kalorama | July 21, 2008 5:59 PM

Well, despite the dumping on Keyon Dooling above, the Nets seem to think that Dooling, who is a Wizard killer of some note, is worth $3 million a year for at least two years guaranteed and they gave Orlando a $3 million trade exception to compensate.

The Europe thing is going to get VERY interesting. I live over here and I was fortunate enough to buy and renovate our house in 2004/5 before the dollar went way way down the slot. In four years I have watched the Dollar go from parity with the Euro to less than 2 Euros for 3 Dollars.

As a result, I would say that the previous SWOT analysis on an NBA player moving to Europe really does not do justice to (a) the quality of life here and (b) the strength of the Euro (or the Polish zloty for that matter... it has done better than both the Dollar AND the Euro for a while now).

If the US Dollar does not regain some of its value soon, I believe a LOT of NBA players will be sorely tempted to make the jump.

If that stays the case, I would also predict that the NBA will add franchises in Paris and Barcelona (for starters) sooner than later. Would you rather play in Milwaukee or Salt Lake City???

And yes, Kalorama, there is nothing to stop the Wizards from sitting on the extra cash and seeing if Gilbert stays healthy, the young guys step up etc... By mid season that $1.5 million annualizes at $3 million and theoretically buys an even better player. Could be.

Posted by: khrabb | July 21, 2008 6:01 PM

the "new Big 3" of Blatche, McGuire and Young

Posted by: Darnell | July 21, 2008 12:19 PM

That is Hilarious... Blatche and Young couldn't even stand out in the VEGAS SUMMER LEAGUE (Blatche maybe a bit - but it was his 4th summer league which is embarrassing in and of itself)! Those 2 and Pech are bums ... might never be meaningful NBA players. At least McGuire sounds like he's progressing.

Posted by: pepcoenergy3 | July 21, 2008 6:05 PM

Well, one positive about the summer league is how we won our two close games. With Nick Young not giving us any offense or defense we were constantly outgunned. Despite that, we played best with the game on the line, by making crisp passes to the open man, and the heart of the effort was the play of AB & DM (though no doubt Dee & NY contribted for that 2nd win). Learning how to win when the game is tight is encouraging. As for Nick, he should work on his Defense to make up for nights when he's otherwise not producing.

Posted by: Derek | July 21, 2008 6:09 PM

No loss not getting Barnes. What this team needs, in my opinion, is a shooter to replace Mason as much as anything. Without him, they dont have a knock down shooter who can play off the ball.

Also, back off Uncle Abe. Most teams aren't going over the luxury tax and clearly he has not been cheap (at least with the current roster) to resign the core players.

If the players they have invested in, like Blatche, Thomas, Young, Songalia, step up, they won't miss the 1.5 mm player

Posted by: Booka70 | July 21, 2008 6:10 PM

As was reported in one of the previous blogs, the Wizards have about $1.6 mill to spend before hitting the lux tax ceiling. There's pretty much no one out there who could make any kind of difference at that price. And there aren't any unrestricted FAs left who, even if they could be had for the MLE, would be worth going over the tax ceiling for. Signing guys just to sign them, or just because their names are familiar, or because they fit your cap slot is not a smart strategy. Just because you have money doesn't mean you have to spend it and just because something is cheap doesn't mean you have to buy it.

And, one last thing on Reddick: Since he's not a FA, who would the Wizards trade to Orlando to get him and why would the Magic want whomever the Wiz have to offer?

Posted by: kalorama | July 21, 2008 6:12 PM

...the big pea. Ho ho ho green giant.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 7:36 PM

BONZI WELLS IS EVERYTHING WE NEED TELL THEM IVAN CARTER

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 7:56 PM

BONZI WELLS IS EVERYTHING WE NEED TELL THEM IVAN CARTER

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 7:56 PM

Has anybody picked up Earl Boykins yet? Now he would be an interesting addition to the Wiz. He will get 8-10pts per game off the bench. And I would think his salary could fit under the cap easily. Sign him for 2 years with a team option. It is obvious DBrown needs another year or two overseas.

Posted by: oddjob | July 21, 2008 7:59 PM

"Which might mean something if he ever played in anything other than garbage time against the other team's 3rd string scrubs.

Posted by: kalorama | July 21, 2008 4:54 PM "

There's a place on this team for a deadeye shooter like Redick. I'd sure as heck take someone like Redick over some stiff like OPech who won't even get off the bench to play 3rd string scrubs.

How many times have we seen guys like Kerr, Paxson, Kapono, Legler contribute to their teams even though they couldn't create their own shots, or defend a lemonade stand?

In fact, Gilby would probably be even more effective if the opposing team knew that he could kick the ball out to someone like Redick like how MJ used to kick to Paxson & Kerr.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 21, 2008 8:01 PM

Boykins? Is that Tony's little cousin? He be taking a pay cut to play for the Wizards. But nobody wanted him last year. So maybe we woould do it.

Posted by: shal | July 21, 2008 9:34 PM

Redick? Man we are getting desperate for something to happen arent we? Do we really want to trade one stiff (OPech) for another stiff (Redick)? Plus there are too many Dook haters in DC. Redick is such a slow footed clodd he would get harrassed mercilessly by the home crowd at VC. If he cant make it in NC, I dont know he could make it anywhere else.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 9:39 PM

"There's pretty much no one out there who could make any kind of difference at that price."

Thank you. This is exactly why I thought Gil oughtta keep all of his money. Sure, the cap will go up and (combined with Gil's gift) more $$ will be available for us next year, there will in all likelihood STILL not be a player who can make a difference. I can't name many guys who get less than the MLE as free agents that are contributors on playoff teams. There may be some (maybe Scola or others like him) but I'd guess that it's rare. Our team is our team. We're gonna pretty much win and lose with what we have.

Posted by: mark | July 21, 2008 9:40 PM

whatever happened to Shannon Brown, the young 2 guard from Cleveland who stepped up when Labron James was out. he was gonna be a free agent. he might a nice cheap pick up for the Wiz.

Posted by: watch me | July 21, 2008 9:54 PM

mark, dont you get it? GA needed to give that money back, so he could feel the love. he needs people to need him more than he needs them, and that is asking a lot. GA, that boy be needy. its what drives him to excell. he constantly feels he needs to redeem himself. classic case. so the wiz may not be able to use the money until ET and AD are off the books, but and GA's $6M on top of their $10M and in two years the Wiz can resign BH and go after another big one.

Posted by: marc | July 21, 2008 9:59 PM

There's a place on this team for a deadeye shooter like Redick. I'd sure as heck take someone like Redick over some stiff like OPech who won't even get off the bench to play 3rd string scrubs.

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i haven't seen Redick in a long time, but he could shoot. Nick Young could prove a major disaster this year as he tries to take Mason's place. I don't think he can do it, myself (i hope he can). Maybe Redick could help in a pinch. Neither can play defense, so what the heck.


Posted by: stevie | July 21, 2008 10:14 PM

"i haven't seen Redick in a long time, but he could shoot. Nick Young could prove a major disaster this year as he tries to take Mason's place. I don't think he can do it, myself (i hope he can). Maybe Redick could help in a pinch. Neither can play defense, so what the heck.


Posted by: stevie | July 21, 2008 10:14 PM "

NY seems like a guy cut from the Gilby mold. Can't play within a system and just wants to drive to the basket or shoot.

Redick is not the second coming of Jeff Hornacek, but he was schooled well at Duke, has a great shot, and will keep defenses honest.

People can complain all they want about Redick not playing any D, but he'll fit in just fine in DC, b/c Gilby doesn't play any D either.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 21, 2008 10:18 PM

Hey juan dixon is a free agent!

Posted by: Nick | July 21, 2008 11:43 PM

"Thank you. This is exactly why I thought Gil oughtta keep all of his money."

And, again, just because there's no one to spend it on right this minute doesn't mean it won't come in handy later on in the season or next offseason, or some point after that. It's not like there's an expiration date on when they can spend it. Even if they never spend it ...so what? Does that make Arenas wrong for making the gesture? Really, I don't see how. He's getting rich either way.

Posted by: kalorama | July 21, 2008 11:50 PM

"Man we are getting desperate for something to happen arent we? Do we really want to trade one stiff (OPech) for another stiff (Redick)?"

Good question. Better question: What the hell would Orlando want with Pecherov?

Posted by: kalorama | July 21, 2008 11:54 PM

remember when we had chucky atkins as our "knockdown 3pt shooter"? he didn't get enough playing time to ever get into a rhythm and it ended up being more of a distraction than anything else. eventually we let him walk for nothing.

sometimes its best just to let the players we already have work on making their three point shots and running offenses correctly to make sure that they ARE open.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 3:17 AM

whatever happened to Shannon Brown, the young 2 guard from Cleveland who stepped up when Labron James was out. he was gonna be a free agent. he might a nice cheap pick up for the Wiz.


Posted by: watch me | July 21, 2008 9:54 PM

you mean Devin Brown, a 6'5" SF? He is still available as Cleveland wants to upgrade.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 6:48 AM

I get you, Kal. We just have different opinions. I don't think it makes him wrong for making the gesture. It makes him stupid, (MY OPINION, ONLY). 16 mill is a hell of a gesture. It's ~12.5% of the total. If I was making 50k a year and living comfortably and I was offered 75k per year by my boss, would I give up 9.38 of it and take 65.5k so that he could reinvest it in the company? Hell no. If I were dumb enough to do it, would I want some say as to how he invested it? Absolutely. Would I be upset if he bought a new water cooler this year and just held the rest of the money so that in case a new copier came out some time in the next 6 years, he could buy it and make my life easier? Uh, yeah.

And yes, I realize I'm dumbing the comparison down. My thing is that 16 mill over 6 years sounds like a lot but is never going to even amount to the MLE in any single year. We can talk about adding it to Etan's deal or whatever is freed up all we want but in and of itself, I still don't believe that the 'gift' is going to help this team. Now, if he'd given 27 mill and taken only 100, I could see that helping the team. I'd have rather seen Gil cutting a side deal with Abe to force him to take part of the the 16 mill to help a cause. Here are a few suggestions:

1. Buy a new Wizards medical staff.
2. Buy personal trainers for each player.
3. Subsidize the concessions or tickets at the phone booth so that prices are lower for the fans. He's giving the money up anyway, so why not?
4. Buy a team dietician or cook that provides healthy meals for the players.
5. Build a shelter for abused women, children, ...any charity.


Anything as long as there is tangible evidence that the team is using it to help the cause.
If they never spend it, I view that as a direct insult to Gil. I believe the team is obligated to spend it because of the gesture. Sure, by our standards he's rich either way. But, let's ask Latrell Sprewell, Mike Tyson, Evander, (insert bankrupt retired athlete here) if they could use 16 million bucks.

Posted by: mark | July 22, 2008 7:37 AM

I suspect that the Wiz will go into the season with the 15th spot on the roster unfilled.

They will use the 15th spot only to respond to injury situations during the year that may warrant an extra body at a given position w/o going over the lux tax.

Posted by: Tim | July 22, 2008 8:28 AM

DC Man why do you insist on blaming everything on Gil. What is it with you? Gilbert and Nick are two different players and to be compared to Gil is not an insult as you suggest. There were plenty of teams who would gladly have taken Gilbert had he not decided to sign here so that totally nullifies anything you have to say about him. Give it a break already and talk about something totally relevant. Hence the article and the summer league. Enough already! People are getting a bit tired of having to read your Gilbert hate EVERY day! 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year! I pray to God we don't have to read your anti-Gil BS for the remainder of his contract.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 8:31 AM

People are getting a bit tired of having to read your Gilbert hate EVERY day! 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year! I pray to God we don't have to read your anti-Gil BS for the remainder of his contract.

Posted by: | July 22, 2008 8:31 AM
A bit? A lot! But alas, this person will likely be on here the whole summer and unlucky for us all through the season as well. Expect to see daily anti-Gilbert tirades and indecent personal insults all throughout. God can't stop Nostradoofus.

Posted by: A Nony Mouse | July 22, 2008 8:45 AM

"People are getting a bit tired of having to read your Gilbert hate EVERY day! 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year! I pray to God we don't have to read your anti-Gil BS for the remainder of his contract.

Posted by: | July 22, 2008 8:31 AM "

Your best bet is to pray for a career ending injury for Gilby, and then all the truths about Gilby that I report will cease.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 22, 2008 10:10 AM

Your best bet is to pray for a career ending injury for Gilby, and then all the truths about Gilby that I report will cease.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 22, 2008 10:10 AM

TWISTED!!! SICKO!!!
Washington Post, when is this going to stop????

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 10:25 AM

You know we are in the bball dog days of summer when we are talking about JJ Redick and Tyron Lue.

Posted by: Skippy | July 22, 2008 10:32 AM

yep. fortunately the Olympic bball team will start playing soon and take our minds off of guys like Redick and Lue.

Posted by: mark | July 22, 2008 10:33 AM

Amen Skippy... JJ and TLue are footnotes to footnotes...

Posted by: khrabb | July 22, 2008 10:45 AM

"My thing is that 16 mill over 6 years sounds like a lot but is never going to even amount to the MLE in any single year.">/i>

So? It doesn't have to to be useful. Again, the fact that it gives then additional space below the luxury tax ceiling to spend the MLE is also a significant difference making factor.

"If I was making 50k a year and living comfortably and I was offered 75k per year by my boss, would I give up 9.38 of it and take 65.5k so that he could reinvest it in the company? Hell no."

A meaningless comparison, because obviously Arenas wasn't offered 75K and by giving up a percentage he wasn't left with 65.5 k. he was offered 127 mill and gave some back so he was left with 111 mill. if you can't do the math or see the difference in that, well I can't help you.

I find it hilarious that people constantly piss and gripe about athletes being greedy and selfish and all about the money. Yet, when shown an example of one not being so, people cue up to rip him for being stupid in not taking the money. Nonsense.

Posted by: kalorama | July 22, 2008 10:49 AM

Mark, I think the big point about not signing somebody just to use the money really comes down to most Vets are still looking for deals for two or more years.

What most are really after is a player option to walk if they can't find anything better a qaurenteed second or third year. I don't think Ernie is interested in commiting multi-year money to an end of bench guy.

I did kind of think at the time that Gil might have been trying to help clear some room for Barnes because of an off court connection. But when Ernie went with Dee Brown for point guard insurance that didn't leave much to work with.

The 16M becomes more useable in years two or three of the deal. By not commiting to spend that 1.5M for a mulitple year deal Ernie is retaining more flexibility under the cap. Alone the annual part of the 16m will never amount to the full MLE exception. But combined with the annual increases in the Luxury Tax level it will allow Ernie the use of the full MLE in two years.

Ernie can still go out and offer a one year deal to somebody and retain that flexibilty as well. But it seems to me that Grunfeld is manuvering toward having alot of potential cap space in the summer of 2010.

If the crop of last year's rookies doesn't develop, in addition to Daniels, Songalia, and Thomas's expiring deals, he could renounce rights to Pecherov or Young if their development doesn't warrent a long term deal. And Dee Brown and Haywood will also be at the end of their deals.

The youngsters will either start to pan out or Ernie is building flexibility to go another direction.

If Blatche can push his way into the rotation ahead of Songalia. And if as Darnell points out, Eddie uses Jamison more in the role of a 3 and a 4 and give McGuire more consistant minutes this year. It will clear the way for Songalia to be used more as a spot player and for his expiring contract to be possibly dangled next summer.

Daniels,Songalia and Thomas could all have increased value next summer to be dangled in a deal since they would be in the last year of their deals.

None of them have alot of value this year because few teams think two years out in cap management. It seems like Ernie has. Remember he has manuvered the Wiz through Salary Cap hell AND got them in the playoffs. He's managed to resign his core AND due to expiring contracts will have cap flexibility to trade next summer.Or wait til 2010 and he'll have the potential to put together a major amount of cap space for a run at free agents.

Posted by: GM | July 22, 2008 10:50 AM

Juan Dixon
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Juan Dixon
Juan Dixon
Juan Dixon
Juan Dixon
Juan Dixon
Juan Dixon

Posted by: Nick | July 22, 2008 10:56 AM

Do you wonder why people have called you insufferable?

Just because you can;t grasp it doesn't make it meaningless. It's just a comparison, grasshopper. Grab the pebble from my hand...

As a matter of fact, there's no one cuing up to rip him. I'm not even ripping him. I'm probably the only one who's saying that he should have kept the money. I just want to see the team improve and the last thing we need is a peeved Gilbert because his money didn't buy anything of value.

Posted by: mark | July 22, 2008 11:09 AM

Do you wonder why people have called you insufferable?

Just because you can;t grasp it doesn't make it meaningless. It's just a comparison, grasshopper. Grab the pebble from my hand...

As a matter of fact, there's no one cuing up to rip him. I'm not even ripping him. I'm probably the only one who's saying that he should have kept the money. I just want to see the team improve and the last thing we need is a peeved Gilbert because his money didn't buy anything of value.

Posted by: mark | July 22, 2008 11:09 AM

Thanks, GM. makes sense.

Posted by: mark | July 22, 2008 11:10 AM

not a bad idea, Nick. Juan isn't your traditional pg but he's at least as good as RM was offensively.

Posted by: mark | July 22, 2008 11:11 AM

Dorrell Wright is facing no playing time in Miami. He'd be more than capable at the 3.

Posted by: bjk | July 22, 2008 11:18 AM

Gilby should have cashed out on max money. Don't give any back.

If Abe wants to improve on this team beyond Gilby, then go over the cap!

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 22, 2008 11:23 AM

Dorrell Wright is facing no playing time in Miami. He'd be more than capable at the 3.

Posted by: bjk | July 22, 2008 11:23 AM

I'd like to see SG JR Pinnock and PF Pat Calathes invited to training camp. Pinnock was on Wiz summer team last year, and Pat Calathes is a point guard in a PF body. I don't think he did too well in Las Vegas playing for the Lakers, and for the Heat at Orlando.

Posted by: rgz | July 22, 2008 11:30 AM

"not a bad idea, Nick. Juan isn't your traditional pg but he's at least as good as RM was offensively - Mark"

Yes, I agree. Juan Dixon can be a GOOD addition to the team. I'm sure our good friend Kal with say the opposite since he knows somebody from somewhere that will be BEST for the team.

Posted by: Dave, | July 22, 2008 11:44 AM

Damn. 88 and I agreed on something? Maybe Kal is right..

Posted by: mark | July 22, 2008 11:45 AM

I'm hoping for a career ending injury for your hate and negativity. Give it a break.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 11:46 AM

the whole jj reddick thing doesn't make much sense. he doesn't bring anything to the table that nick young doesn't already have. at this point in his career, reddick is nothing more than a spot up shooter. he can't defend or create or finish aroundthe basket.

young shot just as well as reddick did last year from outside. but young also brings a level of athleticism that allows him to finish around the basket, get out on the breaks, and even bring the ball up the court (though i wouldn't count on him being a distributor). reddick's defense suffers from lack of quickness and athleticism, young's from lack of effort and knowledge. at least in young's case, there's the promise that if he puts in the effort, and learns to play better, his defense will improve. reddick, at age 24, isn't going to suddenly get drastically quicker.

Posted by: JC | July 22, 2008 11:47 AM

Pistons didn't think Juan Dixon could be a PG. He supposedly developed into a backup PG in Toronto, does anyone know details?

Posted by: rgz | July 22, 2008 12:08 PM

JC - Here's my point. I'm suggesting JJ to be the BACK-UP of the BACK-UP 2. That means NY will still be the first one to replace DS. EVERY team needs a shooter (not a scorer) on their roster for those last possession in which you need a 3. Agent 0 of course will still be the 1st option but I think opposing team will try to double team him each time now. Plus JJ will be another player they have to defend. Yes, there are questions on his quickness, release but they have never question his ACCURACY. Plus, as another poster suggest he's money everytime he goes to the line.

Posted by: Dave, | July 22, 2008 12:15 PM

I agree with Khrabb that if Ernie's going to add anymore pieces this summer it should be for a swingman, preferably a veteran who will be content to sit behind D-Mac at the 3 and Nick Young at the 2 and to do so on a one-year contract. Not sure there's anyone out there, really, who would fit that bill. And Kal's right, better for Ernie to sit on that extra "Gil cash" than spend it on someone who's not the right fit, like JJ Redick. That kid reminds me of another all-American catch-and-shoot-and-nothing-else collegiate player who was always going to be too soft for the Pros: Steve Alford. I do worry, though, about who is going to be the guy off the bench who can knock down the open jumper, now that Mason is gone.

Posted by: Prazak | July 22, 2008 12:34 PM

What Gil's $16M gift buys us:

Imagine the following scenario- the Wiz are in first place in the East with three months to go in the season. Uh-oh! AD gets injured on one of his patented almost-out-of-control drives to the basket. Then: oh crap! Gil and Dee Brown bang knees in practice. If the team can just manage to make it into the playoffs, the Wiz will be fine. But without a point guard for the next month and a half, is there any chance for the Wizards to hold on to a playoff spot? Voila- with $1.5M we can find a serviceable player to stop the bleeding.

A similar situation could play out at any position, but with room under the tax threshhold and an unused roster spot, we have the flexibility to address any such ill fortune.

Posted by: TC | July 22, 2008 12:42 PM

What else Gil's $16M gift buys us:

Teams will occasionally buy out a player. That player is then sometimes willing to sign with another team for peanuts, because they are already "getting theirs" from their original team. Sometimes, that player is still good, but just needs a change of scenery/coach/etc. With $1.5M under the tax each year, we can at least make an offer to any such player that comes along.

That's a lot of "sometimes," but when the bet is whether an NBA prima donna will wear out their welcome somewhere, I'll take those odds.

Posted by: TC | July 22, 2008 1:01 PM

"Do you wonder why people have called you insufferable?"

That would require me to actually give a rat's ass about your suffering.

"Just because you can;t grasp it doesn't make it meaningless. It's just a comparison, grasshopper. Grab the pebble from my hand..."

I grasp that you're using the most farfetched, out-of-proportion, deck-stacking analogy you can come up to make your point. I'm simply calling you on your blatantly obvious B.S. Grasp this.

"As a matter of fact, there's no one cuing up to rip him. I'm not even ripping him."

Uh ... yeah, you are. Calling a guy stupid is pretty close to the dictionary definition of ripping him.

" I'm probably the only one who's saying that he should have kept the money."

Which just goes to show how closely you actually read what's posted around here.

Posted by: kalorama | July 22, 2008 1:05 PM

"the whole jj reddick thing doesn't make much sense. he doesn't bring anything to the table that nick young doesn't already have. at this point in his career, reddick is nothing more than a spot up shooter. he can't defend or create or finish aroundthe basket."

The path of logic leads only to frustration around here, JC. Get off the road while you still can.

Posted by: kalorama | July 22, 2008 1:07 PM

"Plus, as another poster suggest he's money everytime he goes to the line."

Not really much of an asset since (A) as the third string SG he'll almost never play when the game matters and (B) as a spot up jumpshooter who doesn't put the ball on the floor or drive the lane, he's not going to get fouled enough when he is in the game for it to matter.

Posted by: kalorama | July 22, 2008 1:12 PM

"If Abe wants to improve on this team beyond Gilby, then go over the cap!"

Already done.

Posted by: kalorama | July 22, 2008 1:13 PM

"Already done.

Posted by: kalorama | July 22, 2008 1:13 PM "

Go over the lux tax threshold.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 22, 2008 1:31 PM

"I'm hoping for a career ending injury for your hate and negativity. Give it a break.

Posted by: | July 22, 2008 11:46 AM "

Sorry Lisa, but Nahhhhh...

It's just too easy with Gilby, to find material to expose him.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 22, 2008 1:33 PM

"as the third string SG he'll almost never play when the game matters"

Last possesion and you need a 3. Besides Gil who you want it to take...OPech? I think that offensive play is very critical, don't you think so?

I guess you can't think of at least one name, huh.

Posted by: Dave | July 22, 2008 1:35 PM

"Plus, as another poster suggest he's money everytime he goes to the line."

he also shot no better than nick young from the line last year. or stevenson.

"I'm suggesting JJ to be the BACK-UP of the BACK-UP 2."

a third string 2 guard is a luxury. especially when your first string pg or sf can also play the 2 spot for chunks at a time. so why give up a player and money to a guy who we just don't need at all?

"EVERY team needs a shooter (not a scorer) on their roster for those last possession in which you need a 3."

stevenson shot as good or better than redick from the 3 over the last 2 seasons. young did last season. arenas, butler, and jamison shot worse, but still in the mid 30% range (arenas' numbers are considerably down last season in this area, but they are an anomaly of his career).

if redick was free, then sure, let's take him. but he would still be probably battling for the last spot on the bench with whatever 3rd string pg we bring in for playing time. he was a great player for duke's system, but that's about it.

Posted by: JC | July 22, 2008 1:50 PM

TC, good points. Slim chance we get a guy on the cheap but still possible.

Posted by: mark | July 22, 2008 1:52 PM

Prazak, I think that if we're looking at a 3 point spot shooter to replace Mason, we could do a lor worse than Redick. I'm no JJ fan but if all we need is someone to keep defenses honest, even he might do the trick. Really, can he play any orse than Deshawn did last year? (That's a serious question, btw. The answer might be yes)

Posted by: mark | July 22, 2008 1:56 PM

"stevenson shot as good or better than redick from the 3 over the last 2 seasons."

Seriously if you're in the opposing team. Who do you fear more in taking the last 3 pt shot, DS or JJ?

"if redick was free, then sure, let's take him. but he would still be probably battling for the last spot on the bench with whatever 3rd string pg we bring in for playing time."

Amen. That's the only thing I want to hear. Some people here proclaim him to be a bust when he's just been in the league for a couple of years.

Posted by: Dave, | July 22, 2008 2:06 PM

Kal, kal, kal. Not sure what bs you think you're calling out but...ok. Your opinion is as valid as anyone elses regardless of how it's expressed.
Others have mentioned scenarios where the 'gift' might come in handy. They're unlikely but possible. That's all I was really asking for.

Posted by: mark | July 22, 2008 2:38 PM

Mark, I grasp your comparison, I just don't think it is a useful one.

Consider this.

If you renounced 12.5% or you 75K and left your company with 10K extra this year... you couldn't hire anyone with the remaining 10K in just this year.

A very respectable role player can be signed with the remaining money that Gil left on the table. And as others have noted the breathing room is compounded by the annual cap increase, so this does give the team a fair amount of flexibility. That may not equal star power... but flexibility will do a lot for a team if faced with a sudden injury, or if they find an undervalued young talent.

Now, your point may be that Gil didn't leave enough to sign a star... OK, but this team probably doesn't need to add another star without removing one.

Lastly, you suggest that Gilbert should make sure the money goes to something good. I have to laugh, cause if you know anything about Abe Polin you should know that he has been a phenomenal and altruistic charity supporter in the Washington area for the last 30 years. He does a lot more than pay lip service to giving to the community.

He and his wife support a lot of local charities and they don't spend a ton of time advertising it. Beyond that, everyone knows that he built the Verizon center at his own expense and has helped to revitalize a large portion of the District. What many people forget is that it was not only a large expense, but it was a large risk too. There were no guarantees, that property hade been depreciated for a while and a lot of other wealthy land investors passed it by. Abe saw potential for profit and growth, he took the risk, put his own fortune on the line and is reaping the rewards. That is how it is supposed to be.

Some people think Abe is cheap. I have to disagree, he is respon$ible. This town can't support the knicks, and overspending for short talent is a good way to chase a franchise out of town. Do I think they will pay for the right players? Yes, but I don't think they are willing to leverage the franchise on some pipe dreams. Personally I think that is a good thing.

Has this franchise made mistakes in the past? Yes, glaring ones. But I think the management has shown a great deal of competence the last few years and we need to let them see this through a bit further before we start branding them.

Posted by: g | July 22, 2008 2:44 PM

I agree with those who say give the young guys two years or three years to learn the NBA game and actually start contributing.
However, Jamison started contributing 20 pt games on his second yr. with the Warriors and the much maligned Jarvis Hayes stepped up in his second year I think when both Larry and Gil were hurt, and contributed regular 15 pt games for a stretch of about 15 games. Gilbert averaged 18 pt games on his second year with the Warriors, Larry averaged 22 pts at GSW on his second year. So perhaps we should be expecting great seasons on the second year? Shouldn't we set a high bar? Or is it all a matter of the system and the coach being the "culprit" in Washington?

Posted by: rgz | July 22, 2008 2:50 PM

Mark, Redick's and Deshawn's shooting % has been pretty comparable. But Deshawn plays pretty good defense, can handle the ball, and can occasionally take it to the rim. JJ can catch and shoot and that's about it. No comparison. I wouldn't spend any money on this guy, unless he were available for $500k or something silly.

Posted by: Prazak | July 22, 2008 2:52 PM

I see there is still dialogue about what Reddick could bring to the table. Kal earlier advised us to go to the scouting report when he came out of Duke for ?'s about his release, etc. Well if we truly based our picks/free agents based on their scouting report, we'd probably not have a team right now. Everybody has their pluses and minues but a TEAM consists of ingredients like a good salad. I realize the deal is probably not going to happen since it would have to be via trade. Shall we weigh pros vs cons since Kal is a stat guy.

Pros:
- Accurate 3 point & free throw shooter
- Doesn't need consistent reps to shoot a high percentage
- relatively moderate rookie salary
- has something to prove

Cons:
- Defense & Ball Handling have been questioned
- Can't get significant minutes on current team
- Playing out of position at point

Now, if Reddick is offered, let's let Ernie decide his worth and if we should roll with him.

Posted by: G$ | July 22, 2008 5:04 PM

Lets cool out all the talk about getting a SF. We have 2 Caron Butler and Dominic McGuire. As I saw from the summer league Dominic sees an opportunity and he is seizing it. We have no need for Barnes, Evans, or Childress. we have the peices right here they just need time to grow.

Posted by: xxRDOTxx | July 23, 2008 1:09 PM

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