Game 2 tonight

I haven't commented too much on the first summer league game, a close loss to Portland the other night, because many of you watched it and formed your own ideas and, I guess I'm far more curious to see how the squad responds tonight when Game 2 tips off against the Philly summer leaguers.

After watching the Portland game again via tivo, a few things jumped out:

-If Dee Brown is going to be the third PG this team needs, he's going to have to break the defense down and get to the rack every now and then. Didn't see that much the other night.

-As was stated when the Wiz drafted JaVale McGee, the kid's best attribute right now is his shotblocking. He's a natural and it showed the other night. I see some young Theo Ratliff in him. Now, as many of you have pointed out, he's going to have to gain strength and be a factor on the boards to help the real Wiz anytime soon.

-Nick Young had his moments - loved that reverse dribble between the legs move he executed before draining a jumper over Bayless in the fourth - but defensively, he has to learn how to get over and around screens. That was an issue for him last season. (It's been an issue for Gilbert Arenas his entire career). From where I sit as an NBA beat writer, learning how to sift through, over and around screens is the biggest key to becoming a decent defender.

-Tonight's game will present some interesting matchups. McGee will go up against Marreese Speights, the rookie big man from Florida, and Andray Blatche will face up against Thaddeus Young, who was so impressive as a rook for the real Sixers when they made their run late last season. Speights has been one of the most impressive summer leaguers so far and is averaging 17.3 points and 9 boards on 53.8 percent shooting.

By Ivan Carter |  July 16, 2008; 12:39 PM ET
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Posted by: dcfag88 | July 16, 2008 1:18 PM

wow, how could you wait to see what our opinions are when you don't post anything about the first game until now. Listen, i'm tired of hearing how hard your jobs are as a sports writer, wake up and smell the roses, we all work and its not easy but we don't go into our bosses office and see "gee life is tough" cry me a river

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 1:29 PM

Do you think JR Smith would be a good match in Washington? Would we ever be able to get him for the full MLE?(Plus would Abe go over the cap) Would he accept that amount and if so, would Denver match? He is athletic and can hit the three. Capable of coming off the bench and puting up big points. Had some character stuff, but still gifted. If not him, who else other than Barnes?

Posted by: RCG | July 16, 2008 1:33 PM

wow, how could you wait to see what our opinions are when you don't post anything about the first game until now. Listen, i'm tired of hearing how hard your jobs are as a sports writer, wake up and smell the roses, we all work and its not easy but we don't go into our bosses office and see "gee life is tough" cry me a river

Posted by: | July 16, 2008 1:29 PM

Dude, shut up. Most reporters don't get paid extra to maintain a blog. We should be happy anytime Ivan posts here.

Posted by: Pradamaster | July 16, 2008 1:39 PM

Listen, i'm tired of hearing how hard your jobs are as a sports writer, wake up and smell the roses, we all work and its not easy but we don't go into our bosses office and see "gee life is tough" cry me a river

Posted by: | July 16, 2008 1:29 PM

Didn't know we were his bosses...

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 1:41 PM

last one mine

Posted by: jones-y | July 16, 2008 1:42 PM

I think the anonymous poster has a point. IC is pretty much the authority on the Wizards that out-of-towners such as myself look to for some sort of analysis on the summer league. I'd rather rely on his opinions than message board yahoos. For all the carping that Nats fans do about their coverage...

Posted by: Glenn Gervasio | July 16, 2008 1:42 PM

I think the anonymous poster has a point. IC is pretty much the authority on the Wizards that out-of-towners such as myself look to for some sort of analysis on the summer league. I'd rather rely on his opinions than message board yahoos. For all the carping that Nats fans do about their coverage...

Posted by: Glenn Gervasio | July 16, 2008 1:42 PM

So you get some analysis from him less than two days after the fact. i know it's easy to get obsessed over the nba, but this IS just the summer league.

the fact is Ivan's gonna come up short every once in a while. big deal.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | July 16, 2008 1:47 PM

Not too much to analyze. Everybody looked tired from arriving in Vegas right before the game and unorganized like it was the first game that they had played together.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 1:53 PM

message board yahoos !! LOL

Posted by: mark | July 16, 2008 1:59 PM

wow, how could you wait to see what our opinions are when you don't post anything about the first game until now. Listen, i'm tired of hearing how hard your jobs are as a sports writer, wake up and smell the roses, we all work and its not easy but we don't go into our bosses office and see "gee life is tough" cry me a river

Posted by: | July 16, 2008 1:29 PM

Yo Annon. The man has a life too. This is vacation time during the month of July and August. This is just summer league, cut the man some slack. Keep up the good work Ivan.......

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | July 16, 2008 2:00 PM

from ESPN Rumors: "Larry Bird said he hopes to trade for or sign a power forward and is confident he can trade point guard Jamaal Tinsley."

I'm not seriously saying we go after Tinsley or anything, but given how he works us EVERY freakin game we play against the Pacers, we should just throw money at him to avoid having to play against him...he plays like an all-star every time it's a Wiz game...what does he have against us I ask you??

Posted by: Nick | July 16, 2008 2:06 PM

I meant work for a trade to receive Tinsley..not buy him as he is not a free agent...

..and no, i'm not that serious about it.

Posted by: Nick | July 16, 2008 2:08 PM

we won't go over the lux tax...so no, offering the full MLE is not an option. i'd be surprised if we bring anyone else in at all, especially since EG has made it clear he's comfortable going in with 14 on the roster.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 2:10 PM

Yeah I don't see where it says he has to post everyday on everything. Go to that lame Washington Times website. We don't need that nonsense hear.

Anyway, I agree I don't see anything special from Dee Brown yet. What about bringing in Shaun Livingston? I know he's injured, but he could be an interesting guy to put in the backcourt with Arenas.

Posted by: O Dogg | July 16, 2008 2:12 PM

Rather than trading for Tinsley, can the Wizards work out a timeshare arrangement -- perhaps rent him for 6 or so games this season in exchange for Songalia's services during some games when EJ might be tempted to go smallball.

Got to think outside the box, fellas.

Ivan, as for your comment that McGee is a natural shotblocker, I would compare McGee with one of those windmills at the miniature golf course. If McGee's arms are flailing in the air every time the other team puts up a shot, those stick-like arms are bound to snag a shot now and then. That doesn't make him a shotblocker.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 2:25 PM

Darrell Arthur, Grizzlies
There is no question he should have been drafted in the top 20 based on his talent. He can shoot, make plays above the rim and bang in the paint with his well-developed body. His engine might run hot and cold, but he's very productive when it's hot

This is who we should have drafted...or hickson or chalmers. Guys that can help now not in 3 years when jamison is done and caron is getting old.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 2:31 PM

why is no one talking about this Camby trade to the Clippers?
as I see it, Camby was the one guy who could have put the Wiz over the hump next year
his inside defense and boards were exactly what was needed
also his maturity and work ethic could have driven the development of the big kids we'd have left
Denver seems to have gotten nothing for Camby
where were we?
did Denver really want nothing to do with our roster? Camby would have been worth three or even four of our guys

Posted by: east bay dad | July 16, 2008 2:32 PM

I agree with the Anon poster ripping Ivan. I often come here after the wiz have some news and it takes Ivan multiple days to post anything. I wish Roch Kubato ran a wizards blog as well. If he did I would never read this one again. Roch Kubato of the baltimoresun updates his post just about every single day. I often end up getting my wizards news elsewhere b/c it takes Ivan so long to post. This is supposed to be a wizards insider and out of state news papers have the info before Ivan. Also the last thing I want to hear from Ivan is my job is hard/im working hard....you watch basketball and type a cloumn about it.....Zip it and give the people what they want.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 2:36 PM

east bay dad

unless we planned on paying 20 mil for camby next year we couldnt have got him as easy. We would have been in the luxury tax and would have had to pay double for him. We couldnt just trade a 2nd round pick and take on that salary the clippers could. Anyway it doesn't matter Camby wouldn't have put this team over the top. There are only about 5 players in the league that would make this team a contender...maybe only 4 kobe, KG, Duncan, and Lebron

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 2:39 PM

Quote: "why is no one talking about this Camby trade to the Clippers?"

1) Kalorama said it couldn't be done, so we all gave up on it.
2) EG apparently prefers his big guys to be able to hit 3's.

Other than that, there are legit reasons for not grabbing Camby (such as the need to dump salary to get him), but the biggest issue of all is the lack of will.

EG is very comfortable with what he's got on the floor and on the coaching staff. His favorite movie must be Groundhog Day.

Posted by: Izman | July 16, 2008 2:45 PM

Every fan of an NBA team, except the Clippers, is probably asking the same question about why their team didn't make the Camby move. There seems to be a trade a year that makes you scratch your head and wonder why it couldn't have worked for your hometeam (Gasol last year, Webber for Richmond previously - oh wait that's not a good example). I just get through it by closing my eyes and saying, "In Ernie we Trust." Try it, it doesn't necessarily make you feel better, but for a Washington sports fan, Ernie's an F-ing Genius compared to the Nats' and the Skins' front offices.

Summer League related chat, I am very interested in Wallace's minutes tonight. In his three minutes on the court Monday, he actually looked like a point gaurd who could manage the team and tempo of the game. Dee Brown seemed irratic. Nothing like scrutinizing the 3rd PG position in Summer league games to really point out how slow the summer is for sports.

Posted by: GoGunners | July 16, 2008 3:03 PM

Are we the Clippers of the east? In the last 5 years we've watched Cleveland surpass and crush the Wizards. Orlando, Toronto, Boston have passed them by. New Jersey and Philly will this year. Don't be surprised if Chicago rebounds form a subpar year and Atlanta builds on what they did in the playoffs. the Wizards draft terrible and hang on to guys that can't get it done, i.e. should have signed and traded no "D" Arenas for a true PG who can distribute and a bigman. As we watch Mcgee in the D-league this years, watch as J.J. Hickson the player we should have selected, tear us a new one along side Labron. Or how about Sean Williams in New Jersey who'll collect 8 to 10 boards this year as we watch Nick young do his best impersonation of Arenas, no "D" and no court vision. And as we watch Pecherov in his final year with the Wiz we'll continue to watch as Boston wins another championship with Rajon Rondo.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 3:03 PM

Quote: "why is no one talking about this Camby trade to the Clippers?"

1) Kalorama said it couldn't be done, so we all gave up on it.

Classic, Izman.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 3:04 PM

Because Denver did not want any salaries in return. Also I think the Wiz should look at JR Smith, because Nick is not ready to be our primary back up at the 2 spot. He can also spell Caron because Andray B. is looking more like a 4 and would have difficulty guarding the 3 spot.He should not cost to much with his past and all.

Shaun Livington is also interesting because when healty, him and gil would be pretty good together. Gil would move to the 2 spot when LIvington in the game but would not have to guard the other teams 2 guard.He would take AD spot by the end of traiig camp. (If healthy)But we also could sit him for awile until hes ready. I dont know about Matt Barnes though he usually struggles in the East. In Philly he was terrible.

Marcus Williams could be pretty good for us the kid from UConn and he also has some ties with Caron, should we get him from the Clipps. They already have 3 other point guards.

Posted by: d square | July 16, 2008 3:05 PM

Ivan, as for your comment that McGee is a natural shotblocker, I would compare McGee with one of those windmills at the miniature golf course. If McGee's arms are flailing in the air every time the other team puts up a shot, those stick-like arms are bound to snag a shot now and then. That doesn't make him a shotblocker.

Posted by: | July 16, 2008 2:25 PM

No, he's a natural. The key elements to shotblocking, besides the obvious physical attributes, are 1) the ability to forecast when the shot will go up during the course of the 1-2 dribbles or passes before it happens, and 2) timing the shot blocking attempt.

He has the physical attributes, he has #2 down pat, and experience will help him improve on #1.

My prediction is that he'll be a shot-blocking force in a few years. I also see him as a potential offensive quarter-starter, much like BTH was this past year, where the first 2-3 possessions in the 1st and 3rd quarter will be post dump-downs to him. Rebounding and defense are 85% want to, so time will tell with those aspects of his game, so I don't have a forecast there.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 3:17 PM

Fellas,
Let's be serious here, what is Ivan going to post if there is no news? A summer league game is not exactly Game 7 of the Eastern Conference finals. Take a look at the other newspapers and see how much MEANINGFUL coverage they give their NBA teams during the summer... and short of a free agent signing/defection you'll see a lot less than here. To me, Ivan (and the entire post staff)really goes above and beyond.

This reminds me of the two weeks during the JCN soap opera last year, where people were flipping out Ivan wasn't trying to wire tap Ernie to figure out who the wizards were going to get for a mediocre 2 guard who is not even going to be playing in the NBA next year. Relax and enjoy your summer, rather than freaking out about what basically amounts to a pickup game with only 2 guys that have a chance of getting any burn once the real season begins... IN 3.5 months!

Posted by: Slim Charles | July 16, 2008 3:18 PM

SLIM CHARLES IS RIGHT! Ivan often posts multiple times everyday during the season and sometimes multiple times during a game if it is particularly exciting and/or important. The only thing this team has done lately is sign Dee Brown. That is neither exciting nor important. Not to mention that he didn't arrive in Vegas in time for the first game, so he didn't get to talk to anyone in the organization or watch the game in the stands.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 3:30 PM

EG is very comfortable with what he's got on the floor and on the coaching staff. His favorite movie must be Groundhog Day.

Posted by: Izman | July 16, 2008 2:45 PM

There's a great Star Trek Next Generation episode where the Enterprise gets caught in this time loop that leads to the ship blowing up over and over and over and over again.

Each time they experience just a little more deja vu than the last until they finally figure it out. It takes a few more repetitions before they free themselves from the time loop and repeated death.

Real-life time loop:
1. Wizards fans predict a 50-win season and a break-out season for Andray Blatche.
2. The season begins, yay!
3. Oh no! A key Wizard gets injured.
4. Wizards finish season with 43 wins.
5. Wizards suffer a dissapointing 1st round playoff loss to the Cavs. If only they were at full-strength!
6. Some Wizards fans whine about needing to "blow up" team. Others praise the potential of a healthy squad with young and developing depth.
7. With the 18th pick the Wizards draft an exciting, athletic ballplayer with "tremendous upside."
8. The Wizards are just a season away from reaching maximum potential!
9. Summer league rolls around and Ivan Carter is exposed as the non-professional slacker journalist/blogger that he is!
10. Andray Blatche adds 3 lbs., outplays dozens of undrafted free-agents, but fails to convince anyone he's the next Kevin Garnett.
11. Gilbert submits another blog entry.

Repeat steps 1-11.


Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | July 16, 2008 3:32 PM

did Denver really want nothing to do with our roster? Camby would have been worth three or even four of our guys

Posted by: east bay dad | July 16, 2008 2:32 PM

Denver is doing a classic salary dump. They didn't want ANY salaries back in return.

That fact alone excluded all the other teams in the League except the Clippers (and perhaps Memphis); since the Clippers were the only team that was $8 Million or more under the salary cap.

Posted by: Rook | July 16, 2008 3:35 PM

I think we're lucky that Ivan even reads these posts and responds.
Though he's smart enough not to directly address us lest he get caught up in some "Lefty Driesell in a barn with your mom" controversy, he still tries to get the answer to our pertinent questions.

Posted by: mark | July 16, 2008 3:37 PM

Are we the Clippers of the east? In the last 5 years we've watched Cleveland surpass and crush the Wizards. Orlando, Toronto, Boston have passed them by. New Jersey and Philly will this year. Don't be surprised if Chicago rebounds form a subpar year and Atlanta builds on what they did in the playoffs. the Wizards draft terrible and hang on to guys that can't get it done, i.e. should have signed and traded no "D" Arenas for a true PG who can distribute and a bigman. As we watch Mcgee in the D-league this years, watch as J.J. Hickson the player we should have selected, tear us a new one along side Labron. Or how about Sean Williams in New Jersey who'll collect 8 to 10 boards this year as we watch Nick young do his best impersonation of Arenas, no "D" and no court vision. And as we watch Pecherov in his final year with the Wiz we'll continue to watch as Boston wins another championship with Rajon Rondo.

Great post...every year we draft a project when there are obvious picks right in front of us. Its ok EG/EJ will be fired by the end of the year and we will finally have a front office with some common sense.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 3:38 PM

Its amazing how clueless some of you are. The nuggets were dumping salary. We couldn't have gotten camby...couldn't afford him and they wouldnt want anything we have anyways. Let it go people this team needs a lot more than just camby anyways. Hopefully the rebuilding process begins after this season

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 3:40 PM

This is who we should have drafted...or hickson or chalmers. Guys that can help now not in 3 years when jamison is done and caron is getting old.

Posted by: | July 16, 2008 2:31 PM

No one that they could have taken at 18, including Arthur (who would have been behind AJ, Blatche and Songaila at PF), was likely to make a significant contribution this year.

why is no one talking about this Camby trade to the Clippers?
*******************************************did Denver really want nothing to do with our roster? Camby would have been worth three or even four of our guys

Posted by: east bay dad | July 16, 2008 2:32 PM

We did start to talk about this toward the end of the last string. I agree that Camby's skills are just what the Wiz lack, but the problem wasn't compensation for the Nuggets, it was fitting Camby's $10 million salary under the Wizards' cap. In order to do so, the team might have had to forego resigning both Arenas and AJ, and I'm not sure that's something they would have wanted to do for a 34 year old player.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 3:49 PM

All you guys are so negative. I bet Jose can figure out a way to get a much better player than Camby for a 2nd round pick.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 3:49 PM

Too true, Johnnie Futbol. If Agent Zero reinjures his leg this season I think I might scream ... what is it with me, following teams whose key stars are so injury-prone ...

I wonder what will happen with the Poet this season? What do people think? Will he spoil the revival of Haywood, or will we magically figure out how to trade his fat salary?

Posted by: Gonzo, MD | July 16, 2008 3:49 PM

Count me as a fan, Ivan. I love the posts and the Comcast spots. It's a treat to get the personal thoughts of someone that follows them so closely.

Posted by: Patrick | July 16, 2008 3:50 PM

haters knocking Ivan = douchebags

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 3:57 PM

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Posted by: pondaz | July 16, 2008 4:05 PM

Well, Posey's gone to the Hornets. He may be able to help put them over the top. Where's our 'over the top' guy ? Maybe it's our team doctor.

Posted by: mark | July 16, 2008 4:27 PM

The Wizards have gotten better, deeper and younger each year EG/EJ have been here. The injuries have been disappointing and worrisome, for sure, but it seems to me that keeping and growing a core group of players will prove to be a great plan -- IF we're able to make a big free-agent signing after next season when more cap space opens up. Meanwhile, I'm going to watch a few more summer league games before reaching any firm conclusions about Brown, McGee, Wallace and the returning players.

Posted by: walter | July 16, 2008 4:27 PM

why wouldnt the wiz make a run at james posey. the guy is a proven winner and would have been a great pickup. the wiz did absolutely nuthin this offseason except stay the same. with the improvement of philly and milwaukee, the wiz will be lucky to even make the playoffs next year. unreal.

Posted by: dk | July 16, 2008 4:37 PM

all the top teams made big acquisitions in the last year. the wiz made ZERO. and i aint talkin bout agent zero. what is wrong with this team!!! teams that were better than us made moves. yet we're so great that we just stay the same. are you kiddin me? gimmie a break.

Posted by: dk | July 16, 2008 4:40 PM

what exactly is grunfelds job these days. does he do anything?

Posted by: dk | July 16, 2008 4:41 PM

new orleans is head and shoulders better than us. but did they stay pat? no they went out and signed posey. good teams run by good people get better. the wiz just tread water. what a joke.

Posted by: dk | July 16, 2008 4:43 PM

Getting Posey would've required going over the luxury tax, which would cost the Wizards significantly. Sure a handful of teams do that, but how much money do the Wizards/Pollin really have? I have no idea. Also, money that's saved by not having to pay expensive luxury taxes could presumably be used towards better scouting, better facilities for the players, i.e. an overall better organization. or it could go straight to Pollin's pockets, but we don't know that.

That said, the smart time for the Wizards to make big offseason moves clearly is next offseason when some of their expiring contracts can be used as trade bait. Investing too much now (by signing someone like Posey) could limit options next summer when they have more trade bait of value.

People want the quick fix, but there are no shortcuts. Grunfeld has to strike when the time is right, and now ain't that time.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | July 16, 2008 4:47 PM

The Wiz were real busy in past years, helping Detroit and Sacramento build their teams. Also, we need to wait to grade their offseason until next year's season is over. What would it take to earn an A? Hey, I'll go on record and predict 50 wins and a second round appearance. What do others think?

Posted by: walter | July 16, 2008 4:56 PM

Dang - We really needed Posey..... It looks like Etan's contract blocked that move....... EG has nobody to blame but himself because he matched the Bucks contract offer to Etan years ago.

Nothing against Etan, but the days of Brian Grant playing the "5" spot are gone. All of the 4's now in the league can not pretty much create their own shot. Next year fellas is when you are going to see some player movement. Etan's contract expires the year after that along with DS's I think.......

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | July 16, 2008 4:56 PM

People want the quick fix, but there are no shortcuts. Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | July 16, 2008 4:47 PM

you make some interesting points futbol but im not talkin bout quick fixes. im talkin bout sensible additions. posey is a winner. he put both miami and boston over the top. neither team wins it all without him. those are the kind of signings that mean something.
the wiz have stood pat for the past 3 years claiming wah wah wah injuries kept us back.
nuthins gonna change this season except the wiz will fall further back in the bunch.
even if they are completely healthy the wiz are kidding themselves if they think they are one of the elite teams. that is the biggest fallacy yet.

Posted by: dk | July 16, 2008 4:58 PM

The Hornets are well under the luxury cap by the way. and they still will have some room after the posey signing.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | July 16, 2008 5:00 PM

Will we be lamenting EG's failure to draft JJ Hickson? I think so. Huge mistake. He provides exactly what the Wiz needed: muscle and inside presence. Mcgee plays inside, but man, he is just another toothpick who'd rather take a turnaround jumper than bang his way to the rim

Posted by: M.E.G. | July 16, 2008 5:03 PM

The Hornets are well under the luxury cap by the way. and they still will have some room after the posey signing.
Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | July 16, 2008 5:00 PM

well since the hornets are a better team than the wiz, have better players than the wiz, just signed a huge free agent that the wiz didnt, and according to futbol are well under the cap, which the wiz arent, doesnt that tell you all you need to know. which is the better run team.
i think futbol just proved my point.
case closed.

Posted by: dk | July 16, 2008 5:05 PM

even if they are completely healthy the wiz are kidding themselves if they think they are one of the elite teams. that is the biggest fallacy yet.

Posted by: dk | July 16, 2008 4:58 PM

They WILL be better if they stay health, and significantly so. but will they be a championship level team? no, so I agree.

but it IS true that next year they'll have more room for maneuver. i'm going to wait to judge grunfeld till then.

if I were him, I'd hold put too. give the young guys one more year to develop, see if any of them pan out and resolve any of the team's weaknesses, and agressively pursue improvements in the offseason.

in getting rid of Camby for virtually nothing (ultimately it was for cap space) the nuggets gm likened the game of basketball - or the creation of a championship team - to a chess match. you gotta know when to make your move.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | July 16, 2008 5:10 PM

well since the hornets are a better team than the wiz, have better players than the wiz, just signed a huge free agent that the wiz didnt, and according to futbol are well under the cap, which the wiz arent, doesnt that tell you all you need to know. which is the better run team.
i think futbol just proved my point.
case closed.

Posted by: dk | July 16, 2008 5:05 PM

perhaps that's true. there's no arguing that the wizards aren't getting a decent return on investment from a few of their players. i guess my point is it's really next year that grunfeld will have his first chance to right the ship.

whether posey is a "huge free agent" is debatable, but it'd be nice to have him nonetheless.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | July 16, 2008 5:14 PM

DK, the hornets were 38-44 three seasons ago and 39-43 two seasons ago. Obviously a great year last year, but I'm not sure that makes them a better-run team.

Posted by: walter | July 16, 2008 5:14 PM

M.E.G., I liked Hickson and really wanted Speights for us this year and it appears that both are playing well.
DK, The Wiz obviously feel that standing pat means improving. Other teams have to worry about integrating new players and developing chemistry. At least we can say that we should start quickly this year. There's no reason in the world we should not get off to a fast start this season and stack up some wins against teams that are still trying to 'find themselves'. A few extra wins could be the difference between a 3 seed and a 6. Maybe EG did the right thing. We'll see in a few months.

Posted by: mark | July 16, 2008 5:31 PM

M.E.G., I liked Hickson and really wanted Speights for us this year and it appears that both are playing well.

Posted by: mark | July 16, 2008 5:31 PM

I wanted Speights then Hibbert, though I've been won over by McGee's huge upside (one of these young guys has to blossom eventually, right?!?).

Speights vs. McGee tonight! Speights has an NBA body. Let's see if he pushes McGee around.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | July 16, 2008 5:38 PM

Agreed, Meg. Even if McGee pans out, he's too similar to what the Wizards already have in Blatche, Pech, etc. Hickson offered a different sort of player.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 6:19 PM

nads

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 6:25 PM

To whomever liked Sean Williams he got kicked out of college for whatever.... and is a certifiable knucklehead but a good shotblocker, Posted by: whats up with all the "moanin" and bi##$in about the home team? Dude can we let the season play out before we ban the "bullets" from the nba.The "bullets" beat the CP THREES twice last year without Gilbert and i'm not sure Posey makes them finals ready. I saw Speights on nba tv and he looked great all be it summer league tonite will be interesting.

Posted by: dargregmag@aol.com | July 16, 2008 6:27 PM

One of the biggest criticisms over the years about Sheed has been that he'd rather take jumpers than play inside even though he's effective inside.
When players talk about the toughest guy to play against in the league, a lot of them say Sheed because he's good on D and can also take you inside and outside. If we're lucky, McGee can develop into a rasheed-like player (minus the mental problem). It certainly raised my eyebrows when he hit a clutch 3 pointer the other night.

Posted by: mark | July 16, 2008 6:27 PM

"If Dee Brown is going to be the third PG this team needs..."

Ivan, no offense but that guy sucks and tha fact that Posey, mostly of which becaue of money, signed elsewhere should tell everyone that the Wiz are in trouble.

EG has made some good moves with trades, but I don't like what they are doing now for anything.

It's not like he left the Bucks with oodles of talent top win a championship when he rolled out of there.

Signing Gil for all that money was a mistake, and the BS about him taking less for the good of the team was nothing but a PR move. :(

Sorry I am just very unhappy with EG right now, not necessarily any of the players(including Gil). Players are what they are, management has to take the blame when things don't go right and EG has to look at himself in the mirror at some point.

I really don't see the Wiz doing much more this year then they did last year.

I'm calling it now: 4-5th in the East, out in the first round.

"all the top teams made big acquisitions in the last year. the wiz made ZERO. and i aint talkin bout agent zero. what is wrong with this team!!! teams that were better than us made moves. yet we're so great that we just stay the same. are you kiddin me? gimmie a break."

I feel the same way, everyone else is getting better except the Wiz. It's very frustrating. I just hope it's not another situation of Mr. Polin trusting the wrong guy once again. :(

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | July 16, 2008 6:56 PM

DK, the hornets were 38-44 three seasons ago and 39-43 two seasons ago. Obviously a great year last year, but I'm not sure that makes them a better-run team.

Posted by: walter | July 16, 2008 5:14 PM

And they WON'T be under the Salary Cap once Chris Paul signs his contract Extension.... When that happens, they'll be over the cap; with no room until 2012.

Next year, the Wizards will have $20 Million in expiring contracts...while the Hornets will be waiting around until 2012 to sign anyone else from Free Agency.

The Hornets better hope that Posey is the "final" piece - because he's their last hope for several years to come. (barring an unusual or strange trade).

Posted by: Rook | July 16, 2008 7:54 PM

I really don't see why you guys knock the Wiz so hard. There are a bunch of teams that would love to be in our position. We have 3 All-Stars, seasoned vets, young talent and we aren't stuck in salary cap hell. All we need is our All-Stars to stay healthy, just like every other team in the league needs.

Posted by: bryan | July 16, 2008 8:37 PM

O Dogg, I'm glad you said Shaun Livingston. I've been posting his name on these comment thing for 3 days. He would be the best fit possible for the Wizards. He was headed for all_star levels before he got hurt. Now you can get him on a five year deal for cheap! EG get him in now!!!!!!!

Posted by: Pike | July 16, 2008 8:58 PM

Bryan - we've definitely improved over the way things used to be. But it seems like we've stalled the past couple of years ... fifth seed, out in the first round ... it felt like we should be improving by now ...

The repeated injuries don't make it any better. They make me wonder - is our medical staff not up to scratch? Or do our players not prepare for games adequately? Or are they just injury prone? Let's hope that the past couple of years were an anomaly for Gilbert; if he spends a good deal of this coming season injured, we won't be going anywhere.

Posted by: Gonzo, MD | July 16, 2008 8:59 PM

DMac bringing his A-game tonight, for all you DMac bashers out there.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 9:04 PM

I am more optimistic than some on this blog, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't worried about falling out of the playoffs altogether. Assuming Boston, Detroit, Cleveland, Orlando and Toronto all get back to the playoffs is a safe bet. That leaves 3 more spots. Philly is becoming a beast adding Brand to an already solid young team, that leaves two spots. According to my calcultions that leaves us to duke it out with Atlanta, Miami, and Chicago for the 7/8 seeds. Hell, even Milwaukee added RJeff and NJ had a very strong draft. I'm afraid any sort of injury to any of our top-3 leaves us on the outside looking in. We got the 5 seed without Gil last year, but with how much deeper and talented the East is getting I don't see that happening again. Maybe letting Gil and AJ walk to build around Caron and wait for the big FA class of 2010 was the way to go?

Posted by: akmed0 | July 16, 2008 9:07 PM

It's hard to say we've stalled when we have missed our 30 ppg scorer in the playoffs two years in a row. What team in the NBA is winning in the playoffs without their leading scorer (aside from the Knicks in '99)?

Posted by: bryan | July 16, 2008 9:14 PM

O Dogg, I'm glad you said Shaun Livingston. I've been posting his name on these comment thing for 3 days. He would be the best fit possible for the Wizards. He was headed for all_star levels before he got hurt. Now you can get him on a five year deal for cheap! EG get him in now!!!!!!!

Posted by: Pike | July 16, 2008 9:16 PM

DMac will be the primary backup for CB and AB will be the primary backup for AJ. BH and ET will share most of the C duties.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 9:23 PM

None of the Wiz's point guards are worth 2 cents in this summer league. I am still trying to see what EJ see in Brown.

Posted by: DeMj | July 16, 2008 9:31 PM

The loss of Roger Mason looks worse after seeing NY in action tonight - plays out of control, poor shot selection, no D at all. Hope Caron is working on his ballhanding since he may be playing some 2 if NY doesn't improve. D-Mac looks to be a lot more confident in his shot and is the best rebounder of the young bigs. He looks like he could provide quality minutes at the 3.

Dee Brown doesn't know how to stay in front of his man on D. I hope he's better than this come training camp or we need to give Jon Wallace a longer look.

Posted by: wizfan89 | July 16, 2008 9:34 PM

wow, how could you wait to see what our opinions are when you don't post anything about the first game until now. Listen, i'm tired of hearing how hard your jobs are as a sports writer, wake up and smell the roses, we all work and its not easy but we don't go into our bosses office and see "gee life is tough" cry me a river

Posted by: | July 16, 2008 1:29 PM

You're a MORON!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 9:36 PM

My assessment after three quarters:

NY - no defense, no passing...no way

McGee - had his moments on offense.. but he completely lost his man several times

Blatche - solid performance but why is he so winded?

Mac - brings energy

I thought Dee Brown played some good defense.. Wallace couldn't run the offense...maybe we can pick up someone from another squad


no one else made an impact

Overall, Philly had guys who are NBA ready and can immediately make a difference... we have Blatche who checks himself out of the game and a few role players...

Posted by: LK | July 16, 2008 9:41 PM

Philly has definitely move ahead of the Wizards.

Couple of players tonight that will help them down the line.

Nada (nothing new) for the Wizards.

Treading water again.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 16, 2008 9:46 PM

As another poster said, I am starting to think we are going to miss Roger Mason big time next year. Nothing against my man NYoung, but I do not think he will be able to produce like Mason did this year.

As for Dee Brown, I give him credit for having a lot better game than his first. He showed me some flashes this game, and that is all I was looking for.

DMac came back big time with a solid game and again AB was his usual nice self. I think Wallace may have cost himself a spot in training camp with his performance.

I wonder why Wes Unseld Jr. did not give that guy with the long arms (name???) who plays the 4 or 5 any minutes????? He had a very good first game.

Lastly, Forbes got a lot of minutes and I don't know why. Him and Draper look like early cuts to me.

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | July 16, 2008 9:54 PM

Whoa, what is up w/ Nick Young. Looked like he didn't even belong on the court. I was really excited when they got him, and I thought he had a pretty good year. But what exactly have he and Don McLean been working on this offseason. His shot looks just as inconsistent as last year, and he constantly settles for terrible shots, meaning that he doesn't use the dribble or screens to get to his spots. Secondly, his energy is so low on both sides of the ball. It's like he thinks he's too cool to sweat and breath hard. He better learn to run around like Reggie Miller or Rip if he wants to get better.

Posted by: M.E.G. | July 16, 2008 9:57 PM

McGhee looked more promising tonight, though years behind Speights, picked two spots earlier. He had presence, blocked shots, demonstrated a sweet stroke a couple times, and a blue-collar approach. D-Mac was closer to his 2007 summer league self... better offensive flow and NASA hops. Nick Young was awful... looked like a camp invite. Is it just me, or is anyone else sick of his demonstrative, silent-film actor-like expressions after he misses a shot or loses a call? He is intensely aware of the spotlight, of being watched. And plays like it, always looking for the BIG PLAY. This may be the result of being filmed for years in a documentary. Problem is, his self-possession prevents him from getting into team flow, making the right decisions, being an integral 'part'. He breaks the Wizards phalanx, as it were. Dee Brown will be cut before the season. Blatche is still a possible future all-star, or a perennial second-stringer.

Posted by: KGrevey | July 16, 2008 10:01 PM

Nick Young's comments after the game bothered me more than anything IN the game (other than perhaps the lack of effort and intensity in the fourth quarter). So he's only interested in working on hitting open shots this year ey? No defense work necessary? I guess we'll wait for next year for that lesson.

But aside from a very bored looking Nick Young, Blatche looked pretty good minus the fouls, McGuire had a nice all-around game, and McGee had some nice offensive moves but truly gets blown off the ball any time a light breeze hits him. While Dee Brown had a few nice passes, he really seems to struggle with basic ball handling, and doesn't seem to be able to penetrate or guard well - not really sure why we signed him, but perhaps he'll show magical improvement in the next few. And I think we can kill all the Forbes talk - he really took a step back tonight.

Bottom line, for the second night, the two best players were on the other team. Nobody other than Blatche on our team looked like real NBA contributors, deserving of real minutes.

Posted by: sfam | July 16, 2008 10:24 PM

The only thing that really disappointed me tonight was the defensive philosophy employed by the Wiz, reminiscent of the real Wizards. The Smith kid had one shot contested all night, he hit open jump-shot after open shot all night. On the screen and roll we kept jumping out on J. Gordon with our bigs even though he hasn't proved he could make a shot from the outside all tournament with our guards trailing him behind the pick and he drove at will giving him the option of getting to the rim or passing to either Speights or Smith who were wide open because our bigs were out of position.

Posted by: zxhoya | July 16, 2008 11:01 PM

Speights is really polished, I like a lot.

Posted by: zxhoya | July 16, 2008 11:04 PM

this team sucks. nick young is no good. no wonder he slipped to 18 or whatever in the draft. blatche is average at best. nobody on this team gives a crap. we need bobby knight to coach our summer league team. these clowns need to have the taste smacked out of their mouth a time or two.

Posted by: T | July 16, 2008 11:07 PM

IC is crap the dude is the worst. Thanks for keeping everyone up to date, oh yeah you dont. Dude seriously do your job.

Posted by: rskinz | July 16, 2008 11:13 PM

Yeah I don't get why that dude Forbes started and got so much run! I saw nothin from that dude that made me say hey I wanna see more of that! I would much rather have McGee getting some experience! And I would much rather get a look at Veremeenko or that guy Elegar!! I would like to see Veremeenko take some shots! He looks like he has some game, is active on defense, goes inside, boxes out, sets screens, passes well. In 10 min he had 2 boards and 2 assists, no TOs and a steal. But why Forbes played 22:28 and Elegar only played 7:33 I don't get that at all!!!

Blatche looked good. McGuire looked good. McGee looked better than last game, and showed flashes. Dee Brown looked better than last week also. Wallace started good, then had the TO when pressured then missed some shots seeming to come alittle unraveled or nervous maybe from the TO. He ended up 2 for 5 with 2 TOs and no assts. I thought it was interesting they were getting a look at Wallace with Dee Brown.


Still think Matt Barnes would be a nice final piece. He can backup Caron at SF and gives us another more veteran option to McGuire, and can also play SG and give us a perimeter defender off the bench as an alternative to the offense oriented Nick Young.

Posted by: Darnell | July 16, 2008 11:27 PM

Ivan's just been watching the games on tv like the rest of us, what do you want him to do?? You got eyes don't you??? You need someone to tell you what you're looking at??

Ivan's gonna chill in Vegas and watch some ball, and he'll let us know what's going on when he's there in person.

Cut the dude a break! It's the offseason, and it's the summer! Relax!

Posted by: Darnell | July 16, 2008 11:34 PM

Agree with the posters backing Ivan. Seriously, what do you want him to report? There's nothing that he can say about these games that we haven't seen with our own eyes. NY is being a bum, AB is showing flashes, McGee needs to get stronger, D-Mac is gaining confidence, and Dee Brown is looking like a bust. Also, there's a site that you may have heard of for the post-game recap/highlights. You may have heard of it. Nba.com anyone? There's really nothing for IC to report on until summer league is over. That would be a good time to have a wrap-up post-summer-league analysis.

Posted by: babbtong | July 17, 2008 1:25 AM

Dee brown is not looking like a bust. He is getting his teammates the ball and they are missing, and he looked ok against philly showing he can score a little too.

Posted by: Mikey | July 17, 2008 2:07 AM

How does Javale McGee only get 21 minutes in a summer league game? He's our 1st round pick and deserves starters minutes for experience, seriously, Forbes or whomever else that's not going to make the team that's getting significant time really necessary at Javale's expense.

Posted by: zxhoya | July 17, 2008 3:15 AM

If your team has Peja Stojakovic as its starting 3, then you need to spend the extra money to get James Posey as his backup. Peja has a tendency to disappear when the pressure goes up, while Posey has brass cojones.

Caron Butler does NOT require a back-up of this calber, but he does need someone behind him who can play 12-16 minutes of good ball each game.

Posted by: khrabb | July 17, 2008 4:40 AM

The Wizards young developing players doen't look good. We at least need Matt Barnes (or another veteran energy back-up for 3 and 2) and a 3rd point guard that can play. Ernie G needs to pull another rabbit out of his magic trade hat. It may be time to move some of these non-performing future assets!

Posted by: Joe C | July 17, 2008 5:05 AM

Mr. MaGoo may or may not be a bust, it's just going to take 3 years to get him to where AB is now, and AB still isn't there.
We should have taken Arthur.

Speights is NBA ready. The Philly team is deeper and better than the Wiz.

Posted by: Charlie | July 17, 2008 7:22 AM

Man, what's with all the criticism of Ivan? Get your head checked and enjoy the summer some!

I agree with the Hickson backers here. I am not a GM type fan, draft guru, or any of that stuff. I like NBA in season basketball when all this conjecture is put to rest! But, from what little I saw in the draft, Hickson had the body and game we are missing. Of course, Cleveland, who keeps bullying us out of the playoffs, picked him up. So, I am not too happy with our draft philosophy the past couple of years. I still think EG is a top tier GM, but as pointed out we are starting to tread water as others in the Leastern conference make moves.

The Wiz simply have too many finesse and offensive players and virtually no players who are strong and intimidating whatsoever. Stevenson and Etan are the only two who fit the strong and intimidating description somewhat. Tough Juice - I don't see him intimidating anyone although he may not be intimidated by anyone himself as some other players on the team are.

So, I see the Wiz in a different kind of rut now. Too good to get a REAL franchise player in the draft and not good enough to ever be true contenders. They are more like pretenders - the Washington Pretenders. A new owner and coach would be my biggest wish! This team needs a different mindset other than the funnest goofiest team in the league! EG is just in a bad predicament. Remember he still answers to Mr. Pollin, who as much as I like as a person, is not a winning sports team owner!

Posted by: Rob P | July 17, 2008 7:41 AM

Why are people stuck on Arthur? He's an undersized power forward who's had no better summer league than our guy (who only gets to play limited minutes for some reason). If we would have drafted Arthur he would be behind AJ and AB as the 3rd string power forward.
If after watching Javale McGee the last 2 games and not liking what you see, you must need glasses. We as wizards fans ought to be exstatic that we got this kid at 18.

Posted by: zxhoya | July 17, 2008 7:43 AM

zxyhoy,

McGee could be a complete bust or not. How the hell do you know after two scrimmages? The absolute most you can glean from these scrimmages are body type and style of play. That is all! Or maybe that a veteran like Blatche should be dominating and is not. I've pretty much given up on him becoming Kevin Garnett lite at this point!

Posted by: Rob P | July 17, 2008 7:52 AM

I never cease to be amazed by the snap judgments people make based on a couple of summer league games.

Remember who tore up the summer league last year? Bellinelli, the Warriors' draft pick. What did he do in the regular season? Nada. This is repeated every single year, with these supposed breakout stars, but folks never seem to learn. Nick Young's a bust! Dee Brown's a bust! McGee's a bust! Speights is the second coming of Karl Malone!

Take a Valium and a long nap, people.

Posted by: Keithinator | July 17, 2008 8:01 AM

Rob P

How the hell do you know about Hickson or Arthur after 2 scrimmages? All I'm saying is that bashing EG for not drafting those guys and drafting McGee is stupid because we don't know yet. Hickson was very impressive in his 1st game and Arthur has been up and down.
I like what I see from Javale, he has a better chance at being dominant in my opinion than those two guys.
Who doesn't want a dominant 7 footer? (potintially)

Posted by: zxhoya | July 17, 2008 8:16 AM

Keithinator

All I need to see from the big guy is heart and effort, and I saw that. The physical skills are obviously there so to see a kid who hustles and is wiiling to learn is exciting, he's no Kwame Brown.

Bellinelli is going to be a very good player soon, just playing behind some darn good players in Gold State.

Speights is a beast.
I don't believe NY is a bust, showed too much last year. His biggest problem is defense.

Posted by: zxhoya | July 17, 2008 8:24 AM

Andre Miller, Andre Iguodala, Thaddeus Young, Elton Brand, Sam Dalembert as starters. Speights and Jason Smith as bigs off the bench.
Randy Ayers, you have your work cut out for you. We also have a lot of talent but their team is built for defense as well as scoring. I'm really not trying to see them in the playoffs. Philly could be 2008's Celtics.

Posted by: mark | July 17, 2008 8:29 AM

Why are people stuck on Arthur? He's an undersized power forward who's had no better summer league than our guy (who only gets to play limited minutes for some reason). If we would have drafted Arthur he would be behind AJ and AB as the 3rd string power forward.

If after watching Javale McGee the last 2 games and not liking what you see, you must need glasses. We as wizards fans ought to be exstatic that we got this kid at 18.

Posted by: zxhoya | July 17, 2008 7:43 AM

Agree with you 110% zxhoya. I still can't see how folks are still talking about Arthur and Hickson??? If folks can not see the "HUGE" upside to McGee something has got to be wrong...???

What people are missing is along with crazy basketball skills this dude also has a mean streak. He has some "tude" with his game along with very smooth and nice footwork. He plays the "glass game" with his turnarounds and drop step moves pretty well for somebody his age. And that is just the beginning....!!!

EG full props to you again on this pick because you definitely stole one. However, as for Opec I think you missed on this one. One for two is not bad.

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | July 17, 2008 8:29 AM

Why are people stuck on Arthur? He's an undersized power forward who's had no better summer league than our guy (who only gets to play limited minutes for some reason). If we would have drafted Arthur he would be behind AJ and AB as the 3rd string power forward.

If after watching Javale McGee the last 2 games and not liking what you see, you must need glasses. We as wizards fans ought to be exstatic that we got this kid at 18.

Posted by: zxhoya | July 17, 2008 7:43 AM

Agree with you 110% zxhoya. I still can't see how folks are still talking about Arthur and Hickson??? If folks can not see the "HUGE" upside to McGee something has got to be wrong...???

What people are missing is along with crazy basketball skills this dude is able to put on display he also has a mean streak. He has some "tude" with his game along with very smooth and nice footwork. He plays the "glass game" with his turnarounds and drop step moves pretty well for somebody his age. And that is just the beginning....!!!

EG full props to you again on this pick because you definitely stole one. However, as for Opec I think you missed on this one. One for two is not bad.

Posted by: Bullets Fever #1 | July 17, 2008 8:32 AM

On the bright side, McGuire is ready to be the SF backup, AB is ready for STEADY minutes and McGee will be a tough guy to match up with once he gets experience and strength. That little turnaround from 8 feet is unblockable cuz of his arms. Veremenko might be better than Pech. He can't jump over a caterpillar but he seems physical....a bigger version of Songaila maybe? Nick Young will be fine. I'm not sure why there's so much concern over our backup SG not beinga shutdown defender. His role should be to come in shooting. Our bench needs scoring and he can certainly do that. He had a bad night. So what. I could not care less if he fades on his shot. So did Elvin Hayes and he was able to score pretty well.

Posted by: mark | July 17, 2008 8:34 AM

It was the Wizards 2nd game and the Sixers 4th. Gotta hope that had *something* to do with it, though the Sixers thoroughly outplayed the Wizards. The wizards kept it close for 3 quarters, but they were out-rebounded, out-hustled and out-classed all game.

I like Blatche's game, but that guy is score 1st, everything else 2nd. I don't see anyone on that team with natural rebounding tendencies who fights for position and hits the boards with tenacity.

That said, it's not all negatives. McGuire looked a lot better, and WHOA does McGee have upside. My GOD, who knows if the guy's gonna pan out but if I were Grunfeld I'd make that pick all over again in heartbeat. All he needs to do is learn the game and add a little strength. With that kind of athleticism I can see him contributing in a couple years. Brown looked alright as well. Like I said before this team can get up and down the court, but their game might be just a little too finesse and not enough bang.

Nick Young didn't have a great game. Might as well give final judgement to the entire team after their fifth game. Let's hope last night motivates Young for the rest of the summer league.

But keep in mind Young didn't have a great summer league last year, and he still got the most PT during the regular season, and he still looked pretty good in his limited time. Some players' games probably just don't translate very well to summer league basketball. The game is more sloppy and disorganized (especially with the Wizards - yikes!), and perhaps Young doesn't thrive in that kind of game.

But yeah, using the little money they have left under the luxury tax might wisely be spent on a player who can play both the 2 and the 3.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | July 17, 2008 8:59 AM

One other thing to say about McGee is it seemed he got more comfortable out there as the game progressed - more confident and more active. Kinda like he was getting used to the pace and style of the game. That was good to see.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | July 17, 2008 9:07 AM

Ernie Grunfeld project-bigs:

PJ Ramos - Bust
Opech - Likely bust
Veremeenko - Not NBA caliber
Andray Blatche - Still learning
McGee- Long-term project

Ernie Grunfeld project PG:
None

Ernie Grunfeld project SG:
Nick Young

Ernie Grunfeld project SF:
D-Mac

Because of Ernie's fixation on drafting finesse big-man, we are a team with little depth, and extremely soft. Philly or the Cavs will blow by us or squash us like a bug in the playoffs.

Posted by: Charlie | July 17, 2008 9:13 AM

Can someone please explain why we signed Dee Brown. Like I said last week the guy is a gigantic BUM!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2008 9:32 AM

I didn't see the game but had a question,
Did Wallace really look that bad? Anyone have more details on his performance? THanks

Posted by: PJP5 | July 17, 2008 9:39 AM

One other thing to say about McGee is it seemed he got more comfortable out there as the game progressed - more confident and more active. Kinda like he was getting used to the pace and style of the game. That was good to see.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | July 17, 2008 9:07 AM

I agree completely, let's not forget that he's young and probably nervous as hell the first couple of games. But that athleticism with another 30 pounds of muscle on that frame is just freaky scary... also agree with the poster that mentioned his turnaround will be unstoppable with his height & reach, he could become dominant sooner rather than later. Blatche's game has progressed quite a bit in 2 years despite his questionable work ethic, if JMac doesn't suffer from the same it will be exciting to see him progress.

Posted by: Jim | July 17, 2008 9:44 AM

Wallace looked alright. He hit a couple shots, and was off on a few. He had the ball picked once when he was taking it up past halfcourt. But I like the way he plays defense and he looks fairly comfortable/confident playing in that offense.

He certainly looks good enough to get invited to training camp which really is where he'd earn a spot.

The one thing about Dee Brown that I like is how he pushes the ball up the court, which is really the perfect kind of pg considering the mobile players he has around him. young, mcguire, blatche, and mcgee are all players who can get up and down the court fast.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | July 17, 2008 9:50 AM

Or maybe that a veteran like Blatche should be dominating and is not. I've pretty much given up on him becoming Kevin Garnett lite at this point!

Posted by: Rob P | July 17, 2008 7:52 AM

You think?? Kevin Garnett is arguably one of 20 greatest players of all-time. Andray Blatche was a 2nd round pick. Who in their right mind would expect Blatche to become "Kevin Garnett lite"? We should be grateful we got a player as talented and useful as Blatche with a 2nd round pick.

Posted by: psps23 | July 17, 2008 9:53 AM

It's true; Blatche was a great 2d round pick. But, we've given him a long-term contract, and that seems to mean that we're counting on him for something. Obviously, however, we aren't counting on him to become "Kevin Garnett lite." Still, if he has reached his plateau, then maybe we better *not* be counting on him.

About Nick -- it seems to me that he treats every game like a pick-up game. Zero discipline.

I agree that Javale is a real prospect -- still, it's a shame that Marreese Speights didn't drop to us!

Posted by: Tom Mandel | July 17, 2008 10:02 AM

One more thing: Jamont Gordon, an undrafted rookie, *abused* Dee Brown. He looks like an NBA player, and maybe he'll be available after SL.

Posted by: Tom Mandel | July 17, 2008 10:04 AM

McGee will be fine folks. Here's what he does well already: run the floor, block shots, close out on perimeter shooters and shows a nice shooting stroke when he takes his time.
All the nuances like spacing, passing to cutters and rebounding will improve with each practice in training camp. Snapper made the point last night that some GMs a couple years from now might have some explaining to do for passing on this kid. Lopez and Thompson may be better right now but what if McGee ends up being part Camby part Chandler? If JMac can be 2nd or 3rd team all defensive 5 years from now mugs will have to shut their pie holes. So respect Ernie's track record and give it time.

Is it just me or has Eddie Jordan's disdain for timeouts filtered through the staff. I know it's summer league but Wes Jr. watched passively as the Sixers stretched that lead in the 4th quarter. Would it kill you to call time and set up some offense? You know the Sixers like to trap Wes... why not go small with better ball handlers? No offense but this team might be better served with Randy Ayers in their faces...

Posted by: el freako | July 17, 2008 10:19 AM

"About Nick -- it seems to me that he treats every game like a pick-up game. Zero discipline."

Yep. The more I see of him the more convinced I am that his NBA ceiling is as a 1-dimensional bench scorer. He's got the physical tools to do more, but he doesn't seem to have the head/heart for it.

Posted by: kalorama | July 17, 2008 10:21 AM

EG would have picked Speights but he was picked 2 slots before McGee, who does have a lot of upside as a 20-year old, 7-footer with athletic ability. It will be at least 2-3 years before we can make an assessment on him. Wiz passing on Jason Smith to pick NY looks worse after seeing both play last night...Smith is going to be a nice contributor for Philly.

Biggest concern is NY's lack of D, poor shot selection, and general immaturity. He should play with an attitude & energy like D-Mac who is playing hungry. Barnes needs to be signed even if it's a one-year guarantee to give us depth at the 2 and 3. I shudder at the thought of NY playing 4th qtr. if DSS is on the bench resting or is having an offnight. Young is TERRIBLE on D,a blackhole on offense, and has poor floor awareness. I don't see how coaching can correct these type of weaknesses unless Young shows the desire to improve in those area...he pouts when he misses a shot or doesn't get a call.

Posted by: wizfan89 | July 17, 2008 10:22 AM

IMO, all the draft picks are pretty much in the same boat starting out. We have to keep in mind that summer league ball is a little less organized than the games played when the season starts. So some guys will look better in an unorganized setting, and some will look better in an organized setting. With that said, it's about how these rookies develop their body and game for the NBA. Example, NY was reportedly working out with Don MacLean. Is he someone who can teach the little nuances of the game, or is he someone just playing one on one with NY, thus not teaching him anything? The bottom line is the rookies who get the basic fundamental training will give themselves a chance to succeed in the NBA.
It was reported that AB has been working out in the weight room all summer. Well is he working out with a personal trainer or by himself? He has been in the league for 3 plus years and should have developed more of a muscular frame by know. If he is not taught the proper way to lift and given a regime that he can follow then all he will be doing is wasting his time.

Look at Dwight Howard, the guy was a pole his first year in the league. Now he looks like he is ready to compete for a body building contest. That tells me he is receiving proper training from a professional trainer.

I wonder why the Wiz do not have a set up similar to what Tim Grover has in Chicago. His workout sessions are structured and guys are maximizing their workout time.

So I am saying that I do not have a particular problem with the Wiz's draft but I do have a problem with the way they are developing their picks.

Posted by: bullets_0000 | July 17, 2008 10:25 AM

Agree 100% with Tom Mandel's post on Jamon Gordon who looks like a nice prospect as a PG for some team. If Philly doesn't keep him during training camp, someone will sign him. He's already a lot better than Dee Brown who hopefully improves in the next 3 games...hasn't shown me any reason to be on the Wiz roster next year.

Posted by: wizfan89 | July 17, 2008 10:26 AM

Biggest thing that will determine how AB and NY progress is time spent in the weight room. If Blatche was stronger and in better shape he could play 25 min/night. Nick is just too much finesse right now. He gets pushed off his line and settled for jump shots. Has to be a more aggressive finisher around the basket and he is just not strong enough.

Posted by: Get a Grip | July 17, 2008 10:30 AM

WOULD EVERYONE JUST CHILL DA F##K OUT PLEASE!! The season is over 90 count'em ninety days away stop making snap judgements about players and the bullets chances, injuries,team chemistry, and schemes have yet to be determined no one knows how some of these players will respond to the pressure to perform on the "big stage." The bullets need to shore up there pg situation and find a capable backup for Caron, in time I think McGee will be just fine hopefully Andray will continue to make progress and by the way give Ivan a break its the summer!!!!.

Posted by: DARGREGMAG@AOL.COM | July 17, 2008 10:32 AM

Tom Mandel

I think Blatche is progressing nicely. He's been the best player on the Summer team by far and looks more muscular than ever.

I agree that Speights would have been a great pick but believe that McGee has more potential up-side and can be more dominant than Speights. Speights is already a proven commodity though and will have an outstanding career.

Bullets Fever #1
Great minds think alike. I do reserve judgement on Opech, this will be his 2nd year and he's 7' tall, can shoot from outside and has good hops. we'll have to wait and see om him.

Posted by: zxhoya | July 17, 2008 10:33 AM

I don't really like the nickname J-Mac, and it is not much of a time saver than just writing McGee, which is a much better name.

McGee seems to have an ability to pass which will be fun. Did anyone else enjoy the "side of the basket" dunk McGee threw down on a fast break from, I believe, Blatche?

Posted by: Binpa | July 17, 2008 10:34 AM

bullets_0000, thank . thank you, thank you.
Ernie's done a good job finding talent. EJ (and his staff) has done a poor job developing it. Again, he's under the gun and trying to win as many games as possible immediately while dealing with injuries. Still, would it have hurt us to get a few minutes here and there for McGuire?

Posted by: mark | July 17, 2008 10:44 AM

That dunk by McGee was freakin awesome, running full speed and jumping away from the basket he skied threw it down one-handed. Simply amazing for a 7 footer.

Posted by: zxhoya | July 17, 2008 10:45 AM

this is tradegy that we don't go after the kid josh smith from atlanta. he is exactly what we need. but our coaches sit on their butts and do nothing. someone else is going to get him and we will regret not getting josh smith for a very long time.

Posted by: jose | July 17, 2008 10:47 AM

I thought McGuire got quality time last season.

Posted by: zxhoya | July 17, 2008 10:47 AM

We can't afford Josh Smith and I don't believe ATL will allow him to get away.

Posted by: zxhoya | July 17, 2008 10:50 AM

"I don't see how coaching can correct these type of weaknesses unless Young shows the desire to improve in those area...he pouts when he misses a shot or doesn't get a call."

Exactly. All the coaching in the world won't improve a player who's unwilling to put the work in to make himself better.

Posted by: kalorama | July 17, 2008 11:01 AM

As a team the Wizards rookies wilted down the stretch after playing three quarters of fairly entertaining ball. Much smoother game with a better flow, but no energy down the stretch.

Could the Wiz have felt heavy legs from their Sunday night/monday three ring circus to get to Vegas? Could Philly be just hitting their stride in their 4th game? Time will tell.

McGee has got to learn to let the game come to him a little, he'll settle down and stop flying around like he's out of control. Boy, is that kid an atheletic 7'with arms that don't stop. i'd agree with Snapper on his assesemnet that some GM's might be explianing how they missed him in a few years.

Blatche and McGuire both had solid games, both look ready to contribute next season. i'm still forming an opinion on Dee Brown. Since he'll probably spend more then a few games in street clothes, or if dressed carrying towels, the Wizards season isn't riding on his shoulders unless the injury bug strikes again.

Young could come out tomorrow and drop thirty. That's the kind of inconsistancy I think he brings right now, that's why he probably has a ways to go to fulfill his talent.

I'd agree with Darnell, Barnes might make sense because his defense could be needed as a backup two as well as spelling Caron at the three.

Look for Ernie to try and get him with a deal similar to what he gave Stevenson a couple of years ago. Ernie wasn't interested in 4 years for Posey, he's stacking up a group of expiring contracts in the next couple of years. He wasn't going to want to have to pay Posey til 2012.

Posted by: GM | July 17, 2008 11:05 AM

"Blatche was a great 2d round pick. But, we've given him a long-term contract, and that seems to mean that we're counting on him for something" - Tom Mandel

dude, we gave him a long term contract that reportedly averages out to about 3 mil a year. that's it. songaila gets paid over a million more a year. etan gets paid over twice as much. blatche is already our best contributer off the bench (you could make an argument for daniels). even if he never improves much from where he is as of right this moment, we have a bench player better than songaila or thomas, for a lot less money.

the way i see it, if he improves enough to be a full-time starter in a couple of years, that's just icing on the cake. actually, if his conditioning was good enough, i think he's a capable starter at the 3/4 for a decent amount of teams in this league already. it just happens that we already have all-stars at those 2 positions.

Posted by: JC | July 17, 2008 11:15 AM

I propose that Javale McGee be known as "Irish Coffee" from this point forward. Java = coffee; McGee = lucky charms. Unfortunately, through two summer league games, Irish Coffee = Passive 7 footer with a tendency to settle for a jumpshot.

Posted by: GoGunners | July 17, 2008 11:26 AM

"I don't see how coaching can correct these type of weaknesses unless Young shows the desire to improve in those area...he pouts when he misses a shot or doesn't get a call."

Exactly. All the coaching in the world won't improve a player who's unwilling to put the work in to make himself better.

Posted by: kalorama | July 17, 2008 11:01 AM

It's a part of coaching to get your players in that mentality. It's not all Nick, and it's not all EJ - it's both of them. I guarantee there IS a coach/coaches out there who could get NY and the other guys to work properly. If EJ continually shows he can't get it done, then someone needs to be brought in who can.

Posted by: psps23 | July 17, 2008 11:30 AM

"Ernie wasn't interested in 4 years for Posey" - GM

smart move by EG. the hornets way overpaid for him. hollinger has an article on espn taking about it. he does his usal hit or miss projections about posey's future, but this quote is good:

"And, as I mentioned, he's a 31-year-old who will be handsomely paid 'til age 35. Nobody wanted to pay him this kind of dough when he was 30, and his production wasn't any different last year -- just the result in June."

i'm also fine with us not signing anyone else...especially not to anything longer than the season. just because we have some salary space available under the luxury cap, doesn't mean we have to spend it. having the extra space could be useful for a mid-season trade, and not having an extra salary on the books next season and the season after is a good thing.

remember, blatche can fill in at the 3 spot too, especially against the bigger 3s, and i'd rather give him the extra playing time. plus stevenson can slide over to the 3 against the smaller ones. also, we drafted mcguire for a reason. let's give him some playing time. give him a chance to develop.

knowing our coaching staff, once the playoffs come around, our starters are all going to play 40 minutes, and our bench is only going to go about 8 deep. so a player like barnes might not even see the floor for most playoff games.

Posted by: JC | July 17, 2008 11:33 AM

Do the coaches assign roles and responsibilities to AB and NY - and hold them accountable? They are young, undisciplined kids and seem to do whatever they feel like on the court. If they don't follow their assignments, I would bench them - first for 5 minutes, and then escalate from there.

I don't see the Dee Brown thing.

DMac shows disciple and had a good game (although what's with all of the front court scoring by Philly). Let's see if he can build on that performance.

Posted by: Izman | July 17, 2008 11:47 AM

I guarantee there IS a coach/coaches out there who could get NY and the other guys to work properly."

Sorry, but throughout the history of every sport, in every era, there are talented players who "just don't get it" (see Marbury, Stephon). Doesn't matter who the coach is, who their teammates are, what the situation is. Is Young one of those players? Don't know. But there are never any "guarantees" when it comes to actualizing potential.

Posted by: kalorama | July 17, 2008 11:54 AM

I think Dee Brown is this year's cheap version of T Lue. Good energy, distributes the ball, but not really a game changer. From what I see, he's trying to get all the guys involved and not really trying to make his own shot. I'd like to see a bit more of Jonathan Wallace maybe as a training camp invite.

Posted by: rgz | July 17, 2008 11:56 AM

Who is this Forbes guy? He started and got a fair amount of minutes last night. We are doing terribly when you consider that AB, NY, and DM are all second year players, and Dee Brown has been playing pro ball what, 3 years now? We've got veterans who are getting beat up on by other teams' rooks? I'm not seeing alot to get excited about in terms of our bench this year...

Posted by: Wizman | July 17, 2008 12:29 PM

Sorry, but throughout the history of every sport, in every era, there are talented players who "just don't get it" (see Marbury, Stephon). Doesn't matter who the coach is, who their teammates are, what the situation is. Is Young one of those players? Don't know. But there are never any "guarantees" when it comes to actualizing potential.

Posted by: kalorama | July 17, 2008 11:54 AM

Just my opinion, but I don't think there are any players who simply "can't get it". Whether or not they actually do is another question. It all depends on the situation, circumstances, environment, etc. that they find themselves in. Just like you said, there are no guarantees - no talented player is pre-determined to be a star, but no talented player is pre-determined to be a bust either. It takes a lot more effort with some, but nobody's mentality is impenetrable.

Posted by: psps23 | July 17, 2008 12:29 PM

I can sympathize with those of you who are pulling for Wallace - good kid - but the fact is that he wasn't even a good college point guard. Yes, he can hit an occasional jumper, but there are thousands of guys who can do that. Wallace should just start preparing to go to G'town Law where he can be a star on some intramural squad.

Posted by: M.E.G. | July 17, 2008 12:35 PM

"Just my opinion, but I don't think there are any players who simply "can't get it".

You do realize that when you put something in quotes, it's usually a good idea to actually quote something?

I never said anything about players who "simply can't get it." I said the "just don't get it." A quite obvious distinction.

"Whether or not they actually do is another question."

No, it's not "another question." It was, in fact, the exact question I was addressing in my previous post.

Still and all, nice job in willfully misrepresenting what I said then arguing your misrepresentation like I actually said it. DC Man would be proud.

Posted by: kalorama | July 17, 2008 12:36 PM

"Just my opinion, but I don't think there are any players who simply "can't get it".

You do realize that when you put something in quotes, it's usually a good idea to actually quote something?

I never said anything about players who "simply can't get it." I said the "just don't get it." A quite obvious distinction.

"Whether or not they actually do is another question."

No, it's not "another question." It was, in fact, the exact question I was addressing in my previous post.

Still and all, nice job in willfully misrepresenting what I said then arguing your misrepresentation like I actually said it. DC Man would be proud.

Posted by: kalorama | July 17, 2008 12:36 PM

From your original post: there are talented players who "just don't get it"

I could be wrong, but I believe I see a quote in there that is from...nothing. You do realize that when you put something in quotes, it's usually a good idea to actually quote something?

No, it's not "another question." It was, in fact, the exact question I was addressing in my previous post.

Yes, it is "another question." I stated "I don't think there are any players who simply 'can't get it'" . You stated, "throughout the history of every sport, in every era, there are talented players who 'just don't get it'" . Tell me again, how they are not different "questions"?

Still and all, nice job in willfully avoiding the content of the post in order to attempt to discredit the poster's credibility. You should be proud of yourself.

I'll boil it down to plain and simple argument for you: there's a difference between players who "just don't get it" and players who "simply 'can't get it'". That difference is the latter doesn't exist. "Doesn't matter who the coach is, who their teammates are, what the situation is." Untrue. No talented player is bound to a pre-determined fate.

Posted by: psps23 | July 17, 2008 12:59 PM

Jeez kalorama, there are tons of people who criticize athletes suggesting they just "can't get it." It's a cliche that's quite popular, popular enough for him to put in quotes, even if it's not exactly what you said. By putting those words in quotes it doesn't mean he's accusing you of saying them. I know his comments were directed at you, but perhaps YOU are the one who's taking the other out of context?

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | July 17, 2008 1:05 PM

I don't get the critizism of Wallace. I wouldn't say he was a bad college player - he just wasn't a super star.

The fact is because they run the princeton at G town he is uniquely qualified for the Wiz. It might turn out that he isn't good enough for the NBA; as I said he wasn't a super star in college ad there are plenty of guys that were super stars that don't make it big time in the NBA.

I would argue however, that J Wall has the potential to make it in the league as a 3rd pg. He can knock down the 3 with great consistency - he kinda reminds me of Steve Kerr in that respect. They have a similar skill set. It all depends on getting in the 'ideal' situation; which I think the Wiz could be.

(Just a g town fan / and J Wall fan have hope at least!)

Posted by: PJP5 | July 17, 2008 1:34 PM

"Doesn't matter who the coach is, who their teammates are, what the situation is." Untrue. No talented player is bound to a pre-determined fate.

Posted by: psps23 | July 17, 2008 12:59 PM

And I'll add that coaching, teammates, environment, and situation have A LOT to do with it, particularly in the mental and work ethics aspect of the game.

Posted by: psps23 | July 17, 2008 1:40 PM

"there are tons of people who criticize athletes suggesting they just "can't get it.""

Actually, the more common usage is "just don't get it" which is why I (A) used it in my first post and (B) put it in quotes.

"Yes, it is "another question." I stated "I don't think there are any players who simply 'can't get it'"

And you stated it in direct, quoted response to something I wrote. Don't need to be an English professor or a debate coach to interpret it was meant to be a counter to my argument. Only problem is, I never made the argument you're trying to counter.

"I'll boil it down to plain and simple argument for you: there's a difference between players who "just don't get it" and players who "simply 'can't get it'".

And still, you continue to argue with me about a point I never made. I never said anything about about players who "can't" get it. I said they "don't" get it. Period. If you agree with that (as you seem to be claiming now), then why did you are you still arguing with me over the point?

"Difference is the latter doesn't exist. "Doesn't matter who the coach is, who their teammates are, what the situation is." Untrue. No talented player is bound to a pre-determined fate."

Where did I say anything about "fate"? Seriously, what the hell are you talking about? I said some players don't get it. Period. A point that you are now claiming to agree with even as you argue an opposite point. Pick a side and stay on it.

Marbury is a perfect example. He doesn't get it. Is he capable of getting it? Sure. But he's never shown the willingness to change. It has nothing to do with "fate" or "pre-determination" or magic or any other crap you want to pull out of the blue. If a player's not willing to listen, he won't change. Doesn't matter who the coach is, who his teammates are, what the situation is ... until that individual makes a conscious choice to change, he simply won't change. in other words, until he choose to get it, he "just won't get it."

Got it?

Posted by: kalorama | July 17, 2008 1:45 PM

You gonna get in the truck, or what?

Posted by: Stephon Marbury | July 17, 2008 1:49 PM

At least Stephon Marbury has those inexpensive shoes...for the kids.

Posted by: Binpa | July 17, 2008 1:59 PM

Next topic please.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2008 2:12 PM

Got it?

Posted by: kalorama | July 17, 2008 1:45 PM
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Is the question "can't we get it?" or "won't we get it?". Apparently there is a big difference.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2008 2:15 PM

Next topic please.

Posted by: | July 17, 2008 2:12 PM
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NO NO!! WAIT!!! I HAVENT GOTTEN IT YET!!!!

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Posted by: van | July 17, 2008 2:23 PM

And as I stated FROM THE BEGINNING: "It's not all Nick, and it's not all EJ - it's both of them."

I never contested your argument "until that individual makes a conscious choice to change, he simply won't change."

I contested the argument "All the coaching in the world won't improve a player who's unwilling to put the work in to make himself better."

That's a part of coaching. That's an aspect and a skill that coaches should have. Getting their players motivated, in the right mentality, with the proper work ethic.

"'I guarantee there IS a coach/coaches out there who could get NY and the other guys to work properly.'

Sorry, but throughout the history of every sport, in every era, there are talented players who 'just don't get it' (see Marbury, Stephon). Doesn't matter who the coach is, who their teammates are, what the situation is. Is Young one of those players? Don't know. But there are never any 'guarantees' when it comes to actualizing potential."

What this implies, along with your other quotes from above, is that you believe that there are certain players that are mentally unaffected by coaches, teammates, environment, and situation; and their only means of "actualizing potential" begins with unassisted self-realization.

I'm saying that is NOT true. That self-realization is dependent on where they are, who they're with, who's influencing them, etc. FOR EACH AND EVERY ATHLETE. And the coach should be the biggest part of that. Nick Young's athletic mental state isn't solely dependent on himself. It's dependent on himself, his coaches, his teammates, his support, everyone that's around him.

Posted by: psps23 | July 17, 2008 2:26 PM

You guys are funny as hell. got it, get tomato, tomahto, let's call the whole thing off.
Anyway, I think Stephon gets it. His cereer numbers are 20, 8 and 3. Not bad considering he's had a few down years in a row. He needs to be in the right system and he might still be able to play. That's a topic for another day, though.

By the way, I be getting it.

Posted by: mark | July 17, 2008 2:33 PM

Is the question "can't we get it?" or "won't we get it?". Apparently there is a big difference.

Posted by: | July 17, 2008 2:15 PM

Actually there is a big difference between the two.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 17, 2008 2:34 PM

"there are tons of people who criticize athletes suggesting they just "can't get it.""

Actually, the more common usage is "just don't get it" which is why I (A) used it in my first post and (B) put it in quotes.

Posted by: kalorama | July 17, 2008 1:45 PM

A straw man if I've seen one. Nonetheless, both are used even if one more often than the other, so both can be put in quotes.

And while the two have different meanings, it is also quite true that some people who say "he just doesn't get it" just as firmly believe "he won't get it" or more crudely "he can't get it." these phrases might as well be interchangable for some.

Also, we're talking about Nick Young here, right? I'm not going to argue over whether marbury will ever "get it" but young isn't marbury. it's to your benefit to pick the extreme case to prove your point but it's not really relevant.

i think the notion that nick young "doesn't get it" is ridiculously premature (and I'm not even saying "won't get it"). most everyone here, if not everyone (i.e. this includes me), doesn't have one clue what it takes to excel as a professional ballplayer, yet you still see posters whining about how young failed to mention defense in a post-game interveiw (in which he was clearly frustrated, dissappointed and reserved in what he said). you still see people wonder why these players can't simply put on 10, 15, 20 lbs of muscle in a year, something far easier said than done particularly for an NBA basketball player.

if you were to personally tell nick young that he "doesn't get it" or question his willingness "to put the work in to make himself better" he would A. be offended and B. think you're a moron fan who knows so precious little but what he sees from the sidelines.

By the way, there are countless stories of coaches positively influencing players that "didn't get it." often the coach's role is exaggerated, but there's no doubt some coaches have had profound effects on individual players (from all stripes). Succeeding in professional sports requires a mental toughness and capacity (and I'm not talking IQ here) that most people don't appreciate. some coaches have helped players piece the puzzle together.

this is an interesting topic that was reduced to the absurd.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | July 17, 2008 2:36 PM

notice how I put "didn't get it," "won't get it," "doesn't get it," and "can't get it" all in quotes?

That's because they all belong in quotes.

Get it?

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | July 17, 2008 2:42 PM

"What I've 'got' you've 'got' to 'get' it put it in you
Reeling with the feeling dont stop continue"

Posted by: Anthony Kiedis | July 17, 2008 2:46 PM

Johnnie Futbol - finally someone who doesn't have to have every word, phrase, and sentence spelled out and thoroughly explained in order to connect a larger point. Thank you.

Posted by: psps23 | July 17, 2008 2:51 PM

no problemo.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | July 17, 2008 3:06 PM

"Rob P

How the hell do you know about Hickson or Arthur after 2 scrimmages? All I'm saying is that bashing EG for not drafting those guys and drafting McGee is stupid because we don't know yet. Hickson was very impressive in his 1st game and Arthur has been up and down.
I like what I see from Javale, he has a better chance at being dominant in my opinion than those two guys.
Who doesn't want a dominant 7 footer? (potintially)" - zxyhoy

As I stated, you can only tell body type and style of play at this point. Hickson's body type and style of play is what we need more than McGee's on our team - that was my point. I never went further with it based on scrimmages as people are wont to do in here. Can McGee end up being better than Hickson or numerous other's in the draft? Sure. But, we all also agree that he will not be ready for 3/4 years. Hickson is ready to bang and muscle people in the paint right now! We'll see. They both could end up out of the league by then too!

"You think?? Kevin Garnett is arguably one of 20 greatest players of all-time. Andray Blatche was a 2nd round pick. Who in their right mind would expect Blatche to become "Kevin Garnett lite"? We should be grateful we got a player as talented and useful as Blatche with a 2nd round pick." - psps23

Jeez...are there a bunch of lawyer's in here ala Kalorama? Kevin Garnett lite meant he has the same body type and similar skill set hence the term "lite", which was also intended to convey he would never be Keven Garnett. How about I don't see Blatche ever being a starter on a good team still for at least another 3/4 years - hows that for a project? NBA starters should/would have gaudy numbers against teams consisting of mostly non-NBA players! He looks more like one of them with flashes of being good, which is what he does during the regular season and the reason why he does not get consistent minutes.

Also, in his draft, Blatche was originally supposed to be a first rounder, but for some reason was not making him a no-brainer pick at that point.

Posted by: Rob P | July 17, 2008 3:21 PM

Posted by: Rob P | July 17, 2008 3:21 PM

Fair enough, didn't mean to jump on you. I personally think Blatche could be a starter on a good team right now (even start for this team). He may not be a dominant go-to guy right now, but I think he's a very strong player with great value for coming out of the 2nd round, as well as for the contract he's currently signed to.

Posted by: psps23 | July 17, 2008 3:29 PM

"Blatche was a great 2d round pick. But, we've given him a long-term contract, and that seems to mean that we're counting on him for something" - Tom Mandel

Thanks for the backup there Tom although you still put too much credence in the Garnett lite statement. Still, the fact remains that Blatche is supposed to be one of those future "core" guys along with McGuire/NY/McGee and if he is our future we might be in a little trouble at this point. Also, this is his fourth year so his "future" should be a little more now than later compared to the other future "core" guys.

JC, what are you smoking? Blatche the best contributor off the bench last year??? Try Mason, Songalia, Daniels before even mentioning Blatche. They were all more consistent and contributed more. Etan has brought more to the team in the past as well. Hell, he has started for large chunks of past seasons.

By the way, everyone is down on Etan and his contract, but put in context it makes more sense. When he signed his contract, which is not HORRIBLE still, he was coming off his best season and at worst looked like a REALLY good backup center with starting potential. Plus, he was/still is our only muscle/power player, which is exactly what Milwaukee was hunting for as well. Since then he has backtracked somewhat mostly due to illness/injury. So, it's not as if EG completely blew this situation. At the time it did make some sense! You can use revisionist history against any and everyone.

Posted by: Rob P | July 17, 2008 4:08 PM

psps23,

I think if he could start he would be. I mean anyone CAN start, but are they any good is the question. I mean on Memphis they may start him. But, will he help you win ballgames? I think Blatche has all the skills, but I don't see the work ethic or the heart to fulfill his potential at this point and it's been 3 years now. You would think we would have seen it by now. He looks to me like he may become a real starter when he is 28ish years old and becomes more of a mature adult bc his athletic ability alone is not getting him there beforehand it appears.

Yeah, I agree his contract makes being patient with him more agreeable whereas waiting for Arenas to become a REAL max contract player is not as agreeable to me! I keep saying we need one of these young pups to start tearing it up soon bc our big three is not going to take us anywhere by themselves ala Boston.

Posted by: Rob P | July 17, 2008 5:02 PM

What up Rob P? Sixers might be the team to beat in the East, loads of talent if the bench comes around look out!! Dray needs to "come around" by that i mean be more consistent on a game by game basis. Its early so there is time for everything to come together.

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