Speigel Online's Scoop on Secret CIA Flights

A new story in Spiegel Online about secret CIA flights to transport terror suspects through Europe to clandestine prisons may complicate U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's scheduled meeting Tuesday with German Prime Minister Angela Merkel.

The German newsweekly reported today that 437 such flights passed through German airports since 2001, more than three times as many as had been previously reported. The number of flights was disclosed to parliamentarians by German air traffic control officials. "Two aircraft registered to the CIA alone used German airspace or landed at airports in Germany 137 times and 146 times respectively in 2002 and 2003," the newsweekly reported.

"The numbers are much higher than those that resulted from a recent study done by the New York Times, which indicates a total of 94 such CIA flights in Germany."

Last week, Spiegel Online reported that the Council of Europe, a governmental human rights watchdog group, has hired Swiss prosecutor Dick Marty to investigate the secret flights and reports that the CIA operates a handful secret prisons in Eastern European countries.

Rice "is almost certain to be asked about the flights" during her Tuesday meetings visit with Merkel and Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier, according to Spiegel Online.

Merkel, more conservative and pro-American than her predecessor Gerhard Schroeder, is "anxious to avoid a broader debate in Germany about the stationing of US troops and the use of German airspace for the war in Iraq," says the newsweekly. But as much as she wants to improve relations with Washington, "events in the skies over Europe are making it increasingly difficult."

By Jefferson Morley |  December 5, 2005; 11:45 AM ET  | Category:  Europe
Previous: Rice to Face European Heat | Next: The Politics of the German Media


Please email us to report offensive comments.

"So now before the next attack," she said, "we should all face the hard choices that democratic governments face".

There above Rice suggestively summons the ole handy dandy mushroom cloud but then at the same time the Bush admin is ACTUALLY doing nothing to implement the 9/11 Commission's recommendations.

Rice is a disgrace that is lowering all Americans.

Posted by: Rice is a disgrace to the USA | December 5, 2005 12:04 PM

If you Americans are so eager to torture people, would you please do it yourselves, and on your own territory -- instead of abducting people who have not even been tried in a court of law and torturing them in our countries (and in violation of our laws).
While you're at it, could you also please spare us your self-righteous rhetoric about "freedom," "democracy," and the "war on terror."
As far as I can see, no nation represents a greater threat to freedom and democracy, and a greater advocate for terror, than the U.S. itself.
Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Posted by: Antonio | December 5, 2005 12:15 PM

The rendition situation is just one more example of the fact that the way the Bush administration works is incompatible with democratic principles or American values. Here in America, we elected him so we really have nobody to blame but ourselves. The Europeans, who have had World Wars waged on their streets, cannot be expected to stand by while American crimes against humanity are carried on on their soil. I lived in Europe for many years, and contrary to much American popular opinion, they actually think of themselves as sovereign nations with legitimate laws and governments. At this point, I have to expect them to completely reject Ms. Rice's rhetoric and move toward an indictment of Bush and Co. of war crimes. This is exactly what should have been expected by the geniuses at the Pentagon, and I am sure was told them by many knowledgable persons. Rumsfeld and Cheney may be indomitable in internal US beauractic maneuvers, but they will find that their gravitas and wit does not have much currency in Euros.

Posted by: jim preston | December 5, 2005 12:39 PM

Antonio: If you Americans

It is extremely dehumanizing to include all Americans in with the Bush-Americans.

In case you have not heard, American foreign policy has been hi-jacked by an extremely small cabal of Hobbsean and Straussian nuts who have enslaved Red-State Americans.

The USA largely needs your help, not your scorn.

Please sharpen your focus.

Posted by: | December 5, 2005 01:17 PM

And on another note, does anyone see that the hogwash about the economy is getting better is just more hype!!!!

C'mon, you take the money that was recycle from the day after thanksgiving shopping and then you use these figures to tally that the economy has rebounded!!

I don't care what anyone says - 2006 is more important to the people of this great nation than anything - Republicans are going to lose this comfort zone that they are sitting on!

Posted by: Darlene | December 5, 2005 01:20 PM

If these planes' identity is known to air traffic controllers, then it's the duty of local authorities in European countries to board these aircraft and, if laws are being breached there, to arrest the crew and charge them.
Force is quite obviously the only language the US government understands. Let's show them some.
I expect the US govt's agents to commit crimes. I don't expect European authorities to let them get away with it on our territory. We should be dealing with these flights when they land, not moaning about them afterwards.

Posted by: Caroline UK | December 5, 2005 01:20 PM

jim preston: Here in America, we elected him so we really have nobody to blame but ourselves.



Perhaps you should be in Iraq?

Posted by: | December 5, 2005 01:23 PM

If anyone truly believes that US of A will be held accountable or even severely questioned vis-a-vis Condi's visit to Europe they probably also believe in Santa and Rudolph.
Merkel has about as much interest in confronting the war criminals of America than does Blair - complicity. Poland, with it's own copycat neo-cons in power would like nothing better than to 'black site' all the Green and Socialist EU Parliamentary members. Romania is probably only on the visit to sign its sovereign rights away not just to the airbase but to all those white orphans that infertile Americans want to adopt.
Bush and his cronies do not care about the rule of law, they don't even uphold it in their own country (gerrymandering in Texas and attempted thwarting of black voting rights in Georgia, ongoing theft of billions from Native Americans etc). The almighty dollar is the only altar to which these war criminals pay any respect...oil, oil and even more oil.
Zapatero is about the only EU leader willing to openly question and stand against American imperialism and even then his governments response to the likelihood that the CIA landed in and used sovereign Spanish soil and airspace for their war crimes has been somewhat suspect in the last seven days. Whether these prosecutors who are refusing/unwilling to examine in closer detail and demand information are remnants of the previous cowtowing
party is open to debate.

Posted by: Cait | December 5, 2005 01:27 PM

once upon a time, i read in a history book about the beginning of the united states and the heroic achievement of their independence all of which moved me very much.

Today i nearly wept as i learned about the openly displayed contempt of the american government vor the principles, on which this nation was founded. hypocrisis is to weak, in fact you have a president who is a fool, surrounded by a corrupt and crimial administration. I have never seen a government in such an extent lying and talking against direct evidence pointing in their faces. It hurts. Be ist enviromental issues, human rights, whatever. The US are turning into a dark empire.

I want to see people of your government in prison an am sure i will!

Posted by: G | December 5, 2005 01:30 PM

Ernie may be crude but if you have read what Jefferson Morley has had to write in the past he seems to bear agreat deal of personal animus towards Israel. I won't call that anti-semitism but it does say something about Morley's state of mind.

Posted by: David | December 5, 2005 02:01 PM

"It is extremely dehumanizing to include all Americans in with the Bush-Americans.
In case you have not heard, American foreign policy has been hi-jacked by an extremely small cabal..."

The problem for us foreigners is that Bush was re-elected in 2004 when anyone with two brain cells knew he had lied to the public.

Worse, opinion polls just before the invasion of Iraq showed that 70% of the US public was in favour of war, and only 25% against.

It's painfully obvious that the only reasons support has collapsed are US casualties, and the failure to crush the insurgency. If the war had been more successful, Americans would still be supporting it.

Hardly any were concerned by its illegality and polls show that a plurality of Americans think seeking UNSC permission for invasions is "too time-consuming".

Even today, hardly anyone in US public life seems to have a problem with their country appointing itself to be "global policeman" while itself operating above the law.

We foreigners have to consider future threats, and the fact that the US public remains unrepentant about its assault on international law.

It is too easy to blame it all on Bush and Cheney. When the popular will for war is there, demagogues and liars will always surface to exploit it.

Yes, the members of this Administration belong in jail, but the US public also needs to take a long, quiet look in the mirror.

Posted by: AA | December 5, 2005 02:12 PM

Like another country in the Middle East, the Americans' greatest ally there, perhaps the USA is holding these people as a type of security against further 11/9 outrages. Whether or not this policy is right is one thing. However, one hopes the increasing hoopla doesn't backfire on everybody, including the critics.

Posted by: Samuel P Sztykbein | December 5, 2005 02:21 PM

I I genuinely feel for Condoleeza Rice. Remember how the former Secretary of State Colin Powell laid out the case before the UN for invading Iraq and looked foolish thereafter? Well, Ms Rice's task is no less foolish in defending the Bush doctrine of CIA torture abroad.

Posted by: Mark | December 5, 2005 02:23 PM

On this question and those related to the detention facilities in Guantánamo, Afghanistan and Iraq, commentators, proponents and critics seem to have forgotten the overcrowded nature of US domestic prisons.

Because of this, American courts have prevented many from accepting more inmates.

Obviously, the USA can't keep the alleged perpetrators there so the former Soviet gulags provide a convenient alternative. Also, this provides local employment and sourcing (foodstuffs, arms and ammunition, etc.) about which the host countries must be very pleased.

Thus it appears the US is helping out all round in addition to prosecuting the War on Terror. What do the critics and the European Left suggest?

Posted by: Richard R Huffenhalter | December 5, 2005 02:34 PM

Possibly speaking just for myself, I find it ridiculous that Mr Bush seems to be blamed for everything. Indeed, how can he be responsible for everything?

Posted by: I D Sender | December 5, 2005 02:39 PM

Even though accurate, I believe equating Dr Rice's and Colin Powell's statements to be invidious.

Posted by: Joran W Aardslej | December 5, 2005 02:44 PM

Con muchísimos de nuestros ladrones ya residentes en EEUU después de huir de las cárceles regionales, tenemos mucho espacio disponible. En vez de echar fuera su dinero en Europa Oriental, les invitamos a los yanquis a invertir en América Central y Méjico.

Posted by: Manuel Luis Quiroga H. | December 5, 2005 02:50 PM

AA: Bush was re-elected in 2004

Well, if I may, I would urge you to read more.

With the controversies surrounding Diebold/Ohio in mind and those highlighted in the recent GAO report (www.gao.gov/new.items/d05956.pdf) , one can not easily posit with full confidence that Bush was re-elected in 2004. Things are not so simple and definitely not as they are being potrayed in the US media which you seem to be relying upon *heavily* for some strange reason. (http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002117.htm#More)

AA: Worse, opinion polls just before the invasion of Iraq showed that 70% of the US public was in favour of war, and only 25% against.

Most people (strangely) thought that SH was a direct threat due to the writing of seemingly credible people like Miller and Woodward. (Most people were/are also unaware that Cheney et al have been gunning for Hussein since the 1990s) So if your county's govt and press bludgeoned you with images of mushroon clouds what would you have done? You are in a luxurious position. Your world is so black and white.

AA: It's painfully obvious that the only reasons support has collapsed are US casualties, and the failure to crush the in


2000 is small, less than 9/11.

It has nothing to do with the despicability of killing, with vast shifting of rationale for the war, its lack of purpose, its lack of success, its damaging of the US standing in the world, its 200 billion dollar price tag, etc.?

AA: Yes, the members of this Administration belong in jail, but the US public also needs to take a long, quiet look in the mirror.

I agree.

But you are vastly simplifying an extremely complex issue.

You are thinking just like the people who supported the war: uncritically, unhistorically, 100% in line with the US media.

Many Americans, not all, wrongly and unknowingly supported an illegal, unjust, 100% un-necessary war due to being lied to and manipulated.

Perhaps you should aim your scorn and ridicule at the fervent minority who exploited 9/11.

Posted by: | December 5, 2005 03:11 PM

Richard R Huffenhalter, the critics and the "European Left" suggest that when in Europe you obey European law.

No doubt if I wished to commit crimes in the United States I could persuade some of your government officials to accept my bribes, perhaps through the good offices of your government's middleman Jack Abramoff. Does that work for you?

Can't find space in your prisons? Try building more prisons. Being cheap is not a legal excuse for criminality.

Posted by: Caroline UK | December 5, 2005 03:17 PM

My county's govt and press DID bludgeon me with images of mushroon clouds -- I am British. But the British public never fell for it hook, line and sinker.

Many of your points are valid. I know about Diebold and ES&S and am quite prepared to believe the 2004 election was stolen. What actually baffles foreigners is not that Bush won, but that anyone voted for him at all.

But the election concerns me much less than the invasion polls.

I continue to believe that the collapse in US support for the war has far more to do with US military casualties than any of the reasons you give.

I base this on opinion polls from late 2003/early 2004, which still showed about 60% for the war long after the prospect of WMD evaporated.

The timing of the collapse in support shows that Americans were mostly prepared to put up with a phony casus belli so long as they thought they could cheaply win the war. In fact the REASON for the war still seems to matter less to most Americans than the military prestige now invested in it.

I am not a simplistic or black-and-white person but individual distinctions are simply not that important to me from 4000 miles away. What concerns me is what the American public will do next time.

I am only too happy to scorn those who exploited 911 but this time I am not prepared to let the US public get off scot-free yet again. They are repeatedly told by their politicians how smart and good and wise they are. They aren't, but other people have to die because they think they are.

I don't believe that joining the chorus against Bush IS the best way to prevent a repeat. Better to address those who might listen.

The US claims to be a democracy. The American public must therefore accept that the world holds THEM responsible for the actions of their state.

Posted by: AA | December 5, 2005 03:50 PM

To put it another way, in a democracy it is not good enough to be well-meaning, as SOME pro-war people were, though by no means all.

The citizen also has a duty to be sufficiently informed. This is especially true when the political options include attacking foreign countries.

The American people have repeatedly failed in that duty through sheer laziness. No democracy starts more wars than the US, yet no democracy's citizens are more ignorant of world affairs than America's.

I'm tired of watching people die as a result.

Posted by: AA | December 5, 2005 03:58 PM

Originally posted by Richard Huffenhalter: What do the critics and the European Left suggest?

Due process would be an awfully good start, don't you think? I mean, I know it's awfully sexy to play at the whole cloak-and-dagger thing, imagining that our government is on a noble clandestine crusade to rid the world of heavily accented "terrorists" holding the entire planet hostage...

...but in reality, Dick Cheney isn't Bruce Willis, Hussein didn't have nukes or other WMD, and strapping wires to the naked genetalia of "invisible" prisoners in the basement of a dank, secret gulag in Eastern Europe somewhere isn't nearly so admirable as one might hope. Human rights violations just don't have widespread commercial appeal, ya know?

Apologists like yourself notwithstanding, the Bush Administration is acting in ways indisputibly and astonishingly unAmerican. It's sad that so many of us Americans have apparently forgotten who we are and what we stand for.

...but maybe we'll come to our senses. Maybe next time we'll refuse to elect a belligerent, overgrown fratboy and his Nixon-era agents of evil. Maybe next time we'll vote for someone who demonstrates--oh I don't know--how about a firm command of the English language, which in turn would be indicative of strong intellect as opposed to half-baked Texan bravado. Maybe we Americans will wake up and remember what qualities actually make us proud to be Americans. One can only hope.

Posted by: Josh DC | December 5, 2005 04:01 PM

My county's govt and press DID bludgeon me with images of mushroon clouds -- I am British. But the British public never fell for it hook, line and sinker.


Why is Britain over there then? Did the majority have no say? Did a fervent minority do what they wished?

AA: What actually baffles foreigners is not that Bush won, but that anyone voted for him at all.

Believe me, a lot of Americans are more baffled than you. The "anyone" you refer to is a bunch of nuts, some of whom believe Bush is the arm of God. These are the ones you are lumping in so many Americans.

AA: But the election concerns me much less

How so? The problem actually goes back to 2000 when the SCOTUS stopped the vote count in Floriduh. Strange how that happened, how Delay re-organized Tx, and how Schwarzenegger usurped the Calif. governship all within the same time frame, no?

These are part of a a major and well-organized effort.

AA: What concerns me is what the American public will do next time.

I share your concern. But again, the election process is central. The GOP has its arms wrapped around this. Until this is fixed, they will rule by a small minority.


North Carolina Illegally Certifies Diebold E-voting System

By Matt Zimmerman, Electronic Frontier Foundation
December 02, 2005
Board of Elections Ignores Rules to Escrow Code, Identify Programmers

Raleigh, North Carolina - The North Carolina Board of Elections certified Diebold Election Systems to sell electronic voting equipment in the state yesterday, despite Diebold's repeated admission that it could not comply with North Carolina's tough election law. The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) believes that this raises important questions about the Board of Elections' procedures as well as the integrity of Diebold's bid for certification.

In all, three companies were certified for e-voting in North Carolina: Diebold, Sequoia Voting Systems, and Election Systems & Software. However, Keith Long, an advisor to the Board of Elections who was formerly employed by both Diebold and Sequoia, has said that "none of them" could meet the statutory requirement to place their system code in escrow. Instead of rejecting all applications and issuing a new call for bids as required by law, the Board chose to approve all of the applicants.

"The Board of Elections has simply flouted the law," said EFF Staff Attorney Matt Zimmerman. "In August, the state passed tough new rules designed to ensure transparency in the election process, and the Board simply decided to take it upon itself to overrule the legislature. The Board's job is to protect voters, not corporations who want to obtain multi-million dollar contracts with the state."


Posted by: | December 5, 2005 04:17 PM

AA: The American people have repeatedly failed in that duty through sheer laziness.

Again, you are not focused and are lazily lumping all Americans into one category and ignoring some extremely complex and powerful forces.

I am starting to wonder how you can bash Americans when Blair is Bush's poodle.

I am starting wonder if Brits are so more informed than American why is Britain over in Iraq also?

Poodle's are dispatched of easily.

With all the info that Brits now have, why is Blair still in office and not at The Hague?

Why are Brits not doing their duty?

Was Blair not *crucial* in the semi-legitizimation of the Iraq debacle?

This makes zero sense!

An enlightened British population knowing lets Blair do an unjust, illegal, and unnecessary war?

Posted by: | December 5, 2005 04:28 PM

Again you make decent points, and I am certainly not defending Britain's role.

The truth is that American democracy has been subverted, while Britain never had much of a democracy to begin with.

For example, while Congress must approve war powers, in Britain Parliament has no say - treaties and war are the "Royal Prerogative".

Moreover, since both major parties supported the war, British voters were largely frozen out of the equation. In the States, by contrast, I believe the public mood bullied many cowardly democrats into supporting it who would otherwise have exercised their better judgement.

I quite agree that Blair belongs before the Hague.

I also accept your points about the campaign to undermine US elections.

But then Hitler never got more than 33% of the vote, and we still held the German people to account, for allowing their democracy to be subverted in the first place.

In the US, there was a time when all votes were on paper. That was the time to terminate the career of any politician who dared suggest paperless voting. Instead they allowed the system to be hijacked by voting-machine companies that were actually owned by politicians standing for office - ie Chuck Hagel.

The very existence of the vast army of religious nutcases in the US is due to the country's failure to adequately educate its citizens. Too many individual Americans decided they would prefer tax cuts to decent schools.

I don't defend Brits as geniuses or angels, but deep down we both know that left to its own devices, 21st century Britain is not going to be starting this kind of war.

I don't wish to generalise, and when I next visit America - which won't be soon - I'll be careful to take each person as they come. In fact I feel a great deal of sympathy for Americans who are horrified by the direction their country has taken. It must be awful to see your country's great traditions blighted in this way.

But when it comes to the Iraq War, torture etc, one must look to root causes. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld etc are standard types that crop in every country when there is a paranoid or aggressive nationalist population to exploit. They, themselves, are nothing new. It's the mood that allowed them to seize and abuse power that worries me.

Posted by: AA | December 5, 2005 04:51 PM

Democracy is very hard work and depends on an informed citizenry. As Americans, we have not worked hard enough, and it will take a long time to recover from the Bush Administration.
However, we can look to our history and Constitution to solve these problems. We have had our share of idiots as leaders, but we have also had some very capable leaders too.
We need to look at George Washington's advice in his farewell address on foreign policy, take Woodrow Wilson's advice about "self Determination" for all nations, and add Franklin Roosevelt's "Good Neighbor Policy".
In Economics, we can look to Alexander Hamilton's "Report on Manufactures" an build trade barriers to protect Americans jobs. Those American Companies, who betrayed the American worker by going overseas, grew under the protection of American tariffs. We can look back to the Progressive Era, and the Sherman Anti-Trust act to reduce the power of the multinationals here in the United States. Dump "Free Trade" for bilateral trade, and Ricardo for Keynes.
Finally, the purpose of government to secure everyones rights and liberties. All Men are created equal, and not just Americans.

Posted by: P. J. Casey | December 5, 2005 05:08 PM

I neglected Zbigniew Brzezinski in foreign policy. I would like to see him as Secretary of State,

Posted by: P. J. Casey | December 5, 2005 05:18 PM

Wasn't it Brzezinski who first had the wizard wheeze of stirring up Afghanistan's Islamists?

I know he's a Dem, but I can't help thinking: With the Russia-hating Brzezinski at State and the China-baiting Rumsfeld at "Defence" you could drum up one hell of a Cold War for yourselves.

The US arms industry would be in heaven.

Posted by: AA | December 5, 2005 05:28 PM

AA is quite right about Afghanistan, but Brzezinski wants to pull us out of Iraq. Hopefully, the demise of the Soviet Union may have improved his outlook on Russia. However, Russia is a fact of life, and it is not going away. As with China, there must be engagement and dialogue. I favor preemptive diplomacy to solve problems, as opposed to preemptive war.

Posted by: P. J. Casey | December 5, 2005 06:05 PM

Russia certainly isn't going away, since the US has reacted to the end of the Cold War by encircling Russia with military bases.
And engagement with China should be require less travel in future, since America is also trying to encircle them with bases and hostile alliances.

Posted by: AA | December 5, 2005 06:19 PM

Brzezinski has his issues but I would gladly take Ronnie (as much as I disagreed with most of his foreign policies) or Bush v.1 and their cronies over Dubya. I don't think that ever in our nation have we had such a moron of this magnitude leading us into darkness and sheer madness.

I never voted for the idiot and his neo-con puppetmasters but I was shocked that so may people in this country voted for him a SECOND time. Yeah, there were issues but entire regions went to the neo-cons because they pushed "hot button cultural issues", i.e. bulls**t that was nice n' divisive and Capt. Blowhard (John Kerry)couldn't muster the substance to counter this heaping pile of excrement that we called an election.

Yes, we have failed to educate our people to run our democracy properly, you are very right on that point, and though I never voted for him I have not been part of a solution. I have dropped out of the system, though I still vote, because our two party system sucks beyond words and neither party represents anything but an ATM for lobbyists.

I still believe we can make a difference but we need mass civil disobedience to make the necessary changes and a lot of us are caught up in our own struggle to make ends meet on the economic end. That's why it's been so easy for a nut-job religious minority to take control along wiht a lack of committment to education and pulling up our society from within.

Being middle class in America really sucks these days and it's no excuse given the vast suffering in the rest of the world, but it takes a hard econimic hit to get us to leave our jobs and take to the streets. We are getting there though, as we are getting squeezed to the margins and I am becoming more angry every day at the incompetence and sheer exploitation of our democracy.

Posted by: Bobby | December 5, 2005 07:03 PM

I think, Ms. Rice has a point there. Why, if they don't agree with the practice, have European governments been silent on this?

Btw: there's no such thing as a German Prime Minister: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Germany

Posted by: Felix | December 5, 2005 07:34 PM

Bush, Cheney, and now Rice. "We do evil for YOU, not for our own sake!"

Such hypocrisy deserves it own rewards; the world courts must condemn these terrible practices and the cruel, demented men and women who do them and those who enable them These monsters are worse, far worse, than the evil men they use as an excuse for such depravity.

Posted by: Ah la sacrafice | December 5, 2005 09:51 PM

AA: The US arms industry would be in heaven.

Would be?

The highly subsidized anti-capitalist Pigs at the trough are loving it.

U.S. Military Aid and Arms Transfers Since September 11

A World Policy Institute Special Report
by Frida Berrigan and William D. Hartung, with Leslie Heffel
June 2005


Perhaps no single policy is more at odds with President Bush�s pledge to "end tyranny in our world" than the United States� role as the world�s leading arms exporting nation. Although arms sales are often justified on the basis of their purported benefits, from securing access to overseas military facilities to rewarding coalition allies in conflicts such as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, these alleged benefits often come at a high price. All too often, U.S. arms transfers end up fueling conflict, arming human rights abusers, or falling into the hands of U.S. adversaries. As in the case of recent decisions to provide new F-16 fighter planes to Pakistan, while pledging comparable high-tech military hardware to its rival India, U.S. arms sometimes go to both sides in long brewing conflicts, ratcheting up tensions and giving both sides better firepower with which to threaten each other. Far from serving as a force for security and stability, U.S. weapons sales frequently serve to empower unstable, undemocratic regimes to the detriment of U.S. and global security.

Among the key findings of this report are the following:

In 2003, the last year for which full information is available, the United States transferred weaponry to 18 of the 25 countries involved in active conflicts. From Angola, Chad and Ethiopia, to Colombia, Pakistan and the Philippines, transfers through the two largest U.S. arms sales programs (Foreign Military Sales and Commercial Sales) to these conflict nations totaled nearly $1 billion in 2003, with the vast bulk of the dollar volume going to Israel ($845.6 million).

In 2003, more than half of the top 25 recipients of U.S. arms transfers in the developing world (13 of 25) were defined as undemocratic by the U.S. State Department�s Human Rights Report: in the sense that "citizens do not have the right to change their own government" or that right was seriously abridged. These 13 nations received over $2.7 billion in U.S. arms transfers under the Foreign Military Sales and Commercial Sales programs in 2003, with the top recipients including Saudi Arabia ($1.1 billion), Egypt ($1.0 billion), Kuwait ($153 million), the United Arab Emirates ($110 million) and Uzbekistan ($33 million).

When countries designated by the State Department�s Human Rights Report to have poor human rights records or serious patterns of abuse are factored in, 20 of the top 25 U.S. arms clients in the developing world in 2003-- a full 80%-- were either undemocratic regimes or governments with records of major human rights abuses.

The largest U.S. military aid program, Foreign Military Financing (FMF), increased by 68% between 2001 and 2003, from $3.5 billion to nearly $6 billion. These years coincided with the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks and the run-up to the U.S. intervention in Iraq. The biggest increases in dollar terms went to countries that were directly or indirectly engaged as U.S. allies in the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan, including Jordan ($525 million increase from 2001 to 2003), Afghanistan ($191 million increase), Pakistan ($224 million increase) and Bahrain ($90 million increase). The Philippines, where the United States stepped up joint operations against a local terrorist group with alleged links to al-Qaeda, also received a substantial increase of FMF funding ($47 million) from 2001 to 2003. Military aid totals have leveled off slightly since their FY 2003 peak, coming in at a requested $4.5 billion for 2006. This is still a full $1 billion more than 2001 levels. The number of countries receiving FMF assistance nearly doubled from FY 2001 to FY 2006-- from 48 to 71.

The greatest danger emanating U.S. arms transfers and military aid programs is not in the numbers, but in the potential impacts on the image, credibility and security of the United States. Arming repressive regimes in all corners of the globe while simultaneously proclaiming a campaign for democracy and against tyranny undermines the credibility of the United States in international forums and makes it harder to hold other nations to high standards of conduct on human rights and other key issues. Arming undemocratic governments all too often helps to enhance their power, frequently fueling conflict or enabling human rights abuses in the process. These blows to the reputation of the United States are in turn impediments to winning the "war of ideas" in the Muslim world and beyond, a critical element in drying up financial and political support for terrorist organizations like al-Qaeda. Last but not least, in all too many cases, U.S. arms and military technology can end up in the hands of U.S. adversaries, as happened in the 1980s in Iraq and Panama, as well as with the right-wing fundamentalist "freedom fighters" in Afghanistan, many of whom are now supporters of al-Qaeda.

At a minimum, the time has come to impose greater scrutiny on U.S. arms transfers and military aid programs. The facile assumption that they are simply another tool in the foreign policy toolbox, to be used to win friends and intimidate adversaries as needed, must be challenged in this new era in U.S. security policy. A good starting point would be to find a way to reinforce and implement the underlying assumptions of U.S. arms export law, which calls for arming nations only for purposes of self-defense, and avoiding arms sales to nations that engage in patterns of systematic human rights abuses, either via new legislation or Executive Branch policy initiatives. Equally important, the automatic assumption that arms transfers are the preferred "barter" for access to military facilities or other security "goods" sought from other nations should be seriously re-considered. Economic aid, political support and other forms of support and engagement should be explored as alternatives whenever possible.

Posted by: | December 5, 2005 10:05 PM

United States of America: beacon for democracy? No. Promoter of illegal abductions, secret imprisonment and torture.
You Americans should feel deep shame right now.

Posted by: | December 6, 2005 01:08 AM

Americans, when in Europe put a little Eastern spice in your torturing experience! Visit Madame La Fouette's House of Pain! With at least eight undisclosed locations across the continent, we strive to bring classic European sadism into the New AMERICAN Century.

Blending an olde-worlde ambiance -- reminiscent of the bygone Ceaucescu era -- with the latest kinky US trends from Washington and Baghdad. Dogs, leather bondage, underwater action, naked human pyramids. Discretion almost assured. English, Newspeak, and Baptist Mumbojumbo spoken.

Madame La Fouette's -- for a rendition that's truly extraordinary.

Posted by: Kevin Robb | December 6, 2005 02:38 AM

John Mearsheimer of the U. of Chicago calculated that between 1945 and 1990 the U.S. spent $12 trillion dollars (in 1990 dollars) defending Western liberal democracy during the Cold War. He further calculates that roughly half of that sum was spent specifically protecting Europe. Though it's clear that the US has made mistakes (and will, undoubtedly, continue to do so), overall I'd say it's done a pretty good job (witness the proliferation of democracies between 1945 and 1990). I'd be more amenable to constant criticism of the US by some Europeans if the EU first wrote out a $6 trillion check paid to Uncle Sam. They'd then be in a better position to talk about their sovereignty.

Posted by: LWP | December 6, 2005 03:01 AM

But, LWP, they didn't do it out of altruistic goodness. They did it because it benefitted them by restraining Soviet power and influence.

Europe does need to pull more weight. West Germany was constrained after the war due to starting the war in the first place. Nowadays they have a hefty economic burden as they try to put the former East Germany back together. But Europe does need to be stronger and more unified. It needs to become a superpower in its own right so we can decide what needs to be done rather than having to follow just what America chooses to do.

America has scored own goal after own goal in the War on Terror and Iraq has lost all the gains made over the invasion of Afghanistan. It is our fault that we were not united and strong enough to reign in America's worst excesses and keep the US on an even keel. And they'd do the same for us.

Posted by: David Patrick, UK | December 6, 2005 05:55 AM

LWP, so the US spent a fortune on arms and meanwhile dozens of countries across the world went democratic. Therefore the US brought democracy to the world.

By the same logic I can argue that I've spent thousands of dollars on beer in the past three decades, and many countries became democratic over that period, so clearly the free world owes me a heavy-debt for my democracy-spreading beer purchases.

The funny thing is if I said burning fossil fuel creates carbon dioxide creates global warming, you'd probably accuse me of a logical non-sequitur.

Tell me, did the billions spent on arms for the likes of Zia, Savimbi, Marcos, Pinochet and the Shah count towards the US's contribution to democracy?
Next you'll be telling us that US tanks, not Berliners, broke down the Berlin Wall.

Posted by: Buddy | December 6, 2005 07:10 AM

I think what amazes me the most is that today Bush has an approval rating in the high 30s. That means about 1/3 of Americans, after seeing much evidence of what Bush has done and is doing, still think he's doing a good job.

I have to agree with the foreign bloggers here. America has changed. The stuff Bush is doing would never have been approved by 1/3 of Americans only a few decades ago.

I would like to see a poll taken and compared to a comparable poll conducted 25 years ago to guage the changes. Maybe if we Americans see how low we have sunk we will, like a drunk, begin a multi-step process of rehabilitating ourselves. I think that Bush/Cheney are the symptoms of a deeper problem in America.

Posted by: Sully | December 6, 2005 09:05 AM

It suits every leader, historically, to keep the American people with a borderline education so they do not have the analysis or critical thinking skills to question the government. America seems to go from one corrupt government to another, I have not seen any other country in the industrial world with a "democracy" that includes corruption as part of it's working parts. America seems unable to look outwards and see how what they do affects others or maybe is unethical. They have no clue or do not care, that the American government has pissed off many nations for a long time. When America keeps calling itself the world's greatest democracy and we see Americans waving their flags, like mindless trained monkeys, we have to question their capability of protecting themselves from those willing to continue eroding what was once a democracy. Question Authority should be the new mantra, not.."we are the greatest nation.."
" If an American is concerned only about his nation, he will not be concerned about the peoples of Asia, Africa, or South America. Is this not why nations engage in the madness of war without the slightest sense of penitence? Is this not why the murder of a citizen of your own nation is a crime, but the citizens of another nation in war is an act of historic virtue?" Martin Luther King Jr.
What about over 100,000 dead Iraqi's, innocent men women and children, who just become America's collateral damage. What matters are Americas dead soldiers, but no words are spoken for the innocents they kill on a daily basis.

Posted by: Gael | December 6, 2005 11:13 AM

In reply to David Patrick: Clearly the effort was not completely altruistic. I did not suggest that.

In reply to Buddy: Yes, beer drinkig analogy analogy is an absolute logical non-sequitur. In contrast, the impact of America's efforts during the Cold War on the development of global democracy. For example: The Marshall Plan. The democratized countries of Eastern
Europe. And, yes, the US tanks that protected Berlin for 45 years so that Berliners could eventually tear down the wall.

Posted by: LWP | December 6, 2005 11:20 AM

In reply to Gael's claim that the American people are horribly uneducated "trained monkeys." Yes, as in most other places, there are more under-informed people in America than is healthy. Having said that, perhaps Gael missed the Economist's education survey in September identifying 17 of the top 20 world universities being in the United States. Perhaps Gael should identify his country of origin and exactly what it is contributing to the development of human knowledge.

Posted by: LWP | December 6, 2005 11:30 AM

LWP: Perhaps you should pay attention as to the makeup of the faculty at those universities...they are not even 50% American in some cases.
The education system in this country is disgraceful. Primary and secondary education as well as first level college is pitiful in content, rigor and depth. BTW I am Irish by way of the UK for a few years and have been here 20 years. I came over here to do my M.S./M.Ed. I did both at the same time such was the lack of a challenge and I wasn't considered some genius back home. While in Grad school here correcting undergrad work, teaching and counselling it was easy to see the after effects of the American education system. College students vehemently argued that they actually vote for the position of President, they were unaware of the Electoral College!
If you seek to consider the Nobel Prizes, which my American co-workers seek to claim as their "proof" of American superiority, you should also know that they are actually often times awarded to foreign born and educated scientists...the "proof" becomes suspect.
As the studies have proven since 911 the number of foreign students relocating to the US of A has fallen sharply and of course under the neo-con intelligent design folks bush & cronies have put in place and their policies dollars for research & development by the gov. has fallen drastically...one of the reasons highly educated people came here. Now they are choosing Australia, EU countries and even the Chinese are staying in China. The rot is in so to speak.

Posted by: Cait | December 6, 2005 12:11 PM

In reply to Cait: Yes, there are large numbers of non-nationals working at American universities. I don't think it quite approaches anything like 50% at the schools to which I'm referring. Perhaps 25%. And, yes, there has been a decline in the number of foreign students coming to the States post 9/11. But, it's not drastic, and it's not felt in any significant way by the better universities. Finally, congrats on doing 2 degrees at once. But, to be honest, you must admit that an M.Ed. is not really an academic degree, so I don't think it necessarily speaks to the quality of American universities that you were able to do two at once. Rather, the fact that you (and millions of other foreigners)chose to do them in the States speaks volumes.

Posted by: LWP | December 6, 2005 12:50 PM

I also read the Economist's education survey, which I cannot believe in relation to the literacy skills in America that I see. The average Brit or Canadian, no matter their level of poverty, has a much better education than you can observe in the average American.
There used to be a program in Canada, a comedy, called," Talking to Americans", and Rick Mercer walked America's cities asking questions about Canada. It was hilarious. Everywhere he went including Harvard University, America believed that we lived in igloos, didn't have a national highway. They not only had no clue about their northern neighbour but they had some incredible beliefs. In all the episodes I ever saw only once did an American have a clue about their neighbour and it was a twelve year old boy.
Two Professors from Harvard were asked basic questions, and they embarrassed themselves by sounding like ignorant children. They could not answer one basic question, and both believed people in Canada live in igloos. These questions were not historical or difficult, they are simple. After a while this show was no longer funny, it became sad to see how poorly educated Americans are. If they don't have a clue about their neighbour, what do they know about the rest of the world.
I drive around America and see billboards, and signs everywhere that are misspelled, or have incomplete sentences. The poor education in public schools is obvious to anyone who travels the country. Where are the critical thinking skills so necessary in oiling the cogs of democracy?
Benjamin Franklin said it all when he spoke the words," This (the U.S. Constitution) is likely to administered for a course of years and then end in despotism...when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other."
People have to wonder in this international community what is going on with Americans. There was enough known about Bush to never elect him, yet he was elected (with a mix of vote fraud). There is something serious going on with American's critical thinking. You wave a flag and they forget what was just said and start waving their flag.Put the flag down. Think for yourselves. Do not be part of the name calling lefty, righty, liberal republican propaganda. Look where it has got you. The price of your ignorance, or laziness, will be one you will pay for a very long time unless you get your act together.

Posted by: Gael | December 6, 2005 12:52 PM

LWP, The fact that millions of foreigners go (or went) to US universities certainly speaks volumes about the US economy and its ability to concentrate talent.

But consider the populations of the US, Britain and Germany and read this:
"During 2002, the most recent year for which comparable figures are available, some 586,000 foreign students were enrolled in United States universities, compared with about 270,000 in Britain, the world's second-largest higher education destination, and 227,000 in Germany, the third-largest. Foreign enrollments increased by 15 percent that year in Britain, and in Germany by 10 percent..."

"...Foreign applications to American graduate schools declined 28 percent this year. Actual foreign graduate student enrollments dropped 6 percent. Enrollments of all foreign students, in undergraduate, graduate and postdoctoral programs, fell for the first time in three decades in an annual census released this fall. Meanwhile, university enrollments have been surging in England, Germany and other countries."

Germany's share is amazing when you consider they don't have a popular language to draw students.

Anyway, this conversation was about the education of the American voter. Each foreigner earning a degree in the US presumably means roughly one less American.
The meaningful statistics are surely the OECD comparisons that the newspapers report on every few years. They compare actual math and literacy tests among children of the same age in different countries.

"While top-flight American students are among the most literate in the world, the average reading ability of 15-year-olds in the United States hovers around 17th (of 30 OECD countries) say the report's authors, citing a 2000 literacy study. That average position has not budged for most of a decade."

Actually that's better than I would have expected. But I worry that they're much better at English than they are at history.

Posted by: OD | December 6, 2005 02:04 PM

I can't believe Harvard professors thought Canadians lived in igloos. Though I did myself see Jay Leno interview the Stanford U Football team and they didn't know what country lay to the North of the US, nor what planet was third from the Sun.
I remember when I was a kid on my way to school on the London tube (subway). Two 60-ish American couples were sat opposite me talking about "Eye-ran" (It was about 1980). One of them actually said those magic words "we should drop the big one".

Then we pulled into Charing Cross tube station, which has reproductions of 13th-century woodcuts drawn on the walls. One of the Americans says, "Gee, I didn't know the subway was that old."

Posted by: OD | December 6, 2005 02:20 PM

The evidence of the general level of ignorance amongst Americans is very evident in this national geographic study.
Some highlights, and I am quoting the study:

Among young Americans' startling knowledge gaps, the study found that

• nearly 30 percent of those surveyed could not find the Pacific Ocean, the world's largest body of water;
• more than half--56 percent--were unable to locate India, home to 17 percent of people on Earth; and
• only 19 percent could name four countries that officially acknowledge having nuclear weapons.

But having studied in both a US university and UK university, the experience in UK was infinitely superior, the courses taught at a much higher level, with much greater depth. By the end of a 4 year degree in the UK, I had the equivalent of a Masters in the US. At 21! I went to US as part of my undergraduate degree and had to take post graduate classes just to keep up with my contemporaries in the UK.

Posted by: G | December 6, 2005 06:07 PM

LWP: Completing my degrees in America was purely economic...I got a 100% subsidized graduate education. I have stayed for economic reasons but have decided with my child approaching secondary education to leave. I cannot in good conscience have her continue to be under-educated in this country. Even Catholic parochial schools fail to give her the necessary skills to be a critical independent thinker.
From Kindergarten the American system has valued conformist lock step learning and behaviors. From rote repetition of the pledge every morning to the attempt now of imposing intelligent design in the classrooms, American children are being denied a robust and rigorous education that will prepare them for the 21st century and beyond.
What or should I say who made this country the powerhouse it once was both academically, in R&D, and economically was the injection of educated immigrants mixing it up with Americans.
The majority of immigrants to America these days are those that are making the oftentimes deadly (for them) illegal entry attempt from countries that are in reality 3rd world, as Ireland was decades ago, economies that are in dire straits, lack of meaningful jobs, BUT unlike Ireland have a history of ramshackle education systems that rarely go beyond primary school for most of their citizens.
The effect of these graduate students not coming to America won't show up for a few years to decades...those Nobel prizes are rarely awarded to 20-30 year olds. R&D money and innovation follows the educated, look at stem cell research in both South Korea and the UK.
As my legacy to the world is my child I must give her the best possible opportunity to be a productive, responsible, compassionate human being, she won't get that here unfortunately.

Posted by: Cait | December 6, 2005 06:22 PM

Cait: I sympathize with some of your points (many of which are quite valid), but am disappointed with some of your sweeping generalizations (which seems to be the standard MO of many American skeptics on this site). I mean, really, no one believes that "intelligent design" will become a significant part of the American K-12 curriculum outside of some Bible states. And, the idea that American schools just provide "conformist lock-step" learning is completely contrary to the results--i.e., the society of innovation. If you take your child back to Europe to be educated, go to Scandinavia. They do have an excellent K-12 system. But, when it's time for University (some of the obscure anecdotal evidence above notwithstanding), there's no better place than the States. Ask Tony Blair, who will tell you that the EU invests only half as much in higher ed per capita as the States. The results bear out in The Economist survey.

Posted by: LWP | December 6, 2005 09:57 PM

Thing is LWP, the problem isn't really the Americans with degrees. We're more concerned about the mass of Americans without degrees, and the repercussions of their level of education.

Particularly when they insist on expressing themselves through acts of violence in other people's countries.

Posted by: CarolineUK | December 7, 2005 10:02 AM

LWP: The fact that Blair can say anything that is true anymore and that anyone actually believes it, is telling in and of itself - he is complicit in all this bloodshed and rampant imperialism. But back to education, upon which all nations will stand or fall, while it is true the EU as a whole spends approx. half as much as America, the value or cost-benefits of that expenditure is closer to twice that of the American input. The literacy rate as a basic example, the percentage of secondary school graduates, the sheer number of college graduates, whether still in the EU or taking up further studies overseas.
A basic college (B.A) degree in America is pretty much worthless, horse riding, cheerleading, and math 101 (which should have been covered in say 10th Grade) are hardly worth writing home about as fillers for a degree. While it takes 4 years to get this pitiful degree over here EU students are 'racing' through robust and rigorous degrees in three years and are better prepared for the workplace to boot.
Graduate school, with the possibility of up to 100% financial assistance is of course attractive, and it used to mean something. When I first came over I had Taiwanese, Chinese, a German, Dutch , a few American's and myself just within my core coursework, with a Scottish professor...that is far from the case today.
However as Caroline succinctly put it 'tis the ones without degrees that we are concerned about. The functional, cultural, global 'illiterati' of America. Those that voted for a president who on national tv stated he believed intelligent design should be taught in science classrooms, that says God speaks to him and that war in the Middle East and the slaughter of innocents is a result of those divine consultations, that has limited science and the society of innovation by banning any further federal research & development into stem cell research, that has had his religious bigots over rule the scientists at the FDA with regard to Plan B, that wants to set back women's rights by decades in relation to reproductive rights. I could go on but what's the point? Bush is about to foister on Ameica a Supreme Court with a five member Roman Catholic majority...so if you think reproductive rights were all that were under attack just wait the party is about to start (and no I am not a bigot I am an Irish Catholic - I know what these guys are like and capable of). These folks are going to be influencing America's future up to the 2030's and that is scary - how could I expose my daughter to that when that was one of the reasons I left Ireland 22 years ago (I spent two years in England)??? Spain looks very good right now, at least they respect human rights, gays rights, Iraqi rights, Venezuelan rights...you see what I mean?

Posted by: Cait | December 7, 2005 11:54 AM

It is very hard to listen to people who don't have a clue about the world outside their country. How can informed decisions be made when the borders and lands outside their country are just a fuzzy question mark. The average American is not capable of sustaining a democracy. You have a media that reports what Corporate America wants you to believe and believe you do.
My nephew after his father was transferred to California, went to a school that demanded he say the pledge of allegiance in front of everyone. They ignored the fact he was Canadian and wanted to make him an instant American, instead of using this as an opportunity to show others where Canada was on a map. Or learn what life was in other countries. They gave him praise for any behavior that was considered American and put him down if he brought up anything to do with Canada.
He told me, " You won't believe how dumb these Americans are. They are doing work I did years ago. If they were in Canada they would be in a special needs class."
I believe Americans are as capable as anyone else, they just have a very poor education system.

Posted by: SpeakOutforDemocracy | December 7, 2005 12:10 PM

I've been considering the States as a shining example of how true democracy and freedom could give any one a chance to experience it was neither utopian nor propagandistic stating that such a country was a living example that both freedom and democracy could be achieved and enjoyed as long as there was a serious intention to reach that goal.
Then I learnt about the 11.000.000 approx. native Americans slaughtered by the likes of Gen. Custer and some of the "California or Bust" pioneers.
Then I learned that the Blacks were given the right to be free and even go to polls, but discrimination and segregation went on till those unforgettable 60's protest marches and tragic outcomes for those who died to really benefit of a freedom which had been granted on paper only some 80 years before.
Then I noticed that "justice for all" was possibly just a nice slogan to counter the Soviet threat where that subject seemed not to belong to the russian heritage considering the slavery they had been living under through the Czarist times and the new one (just a little less evident) they were plunged into by Stalin and his next-a-kins.
But why should the US support dictators and corrupted politicians almost anywhere in the world in their fight against the threats coming from the communist regimes ? Couldn't they find better foreign politicians to help those people from being engulfed by the communist monster ? Should we remember VietNam, Chile and all that followed and pretend the only justification was that they had to make do with what they had available ?
What about the many not so covert intelligence operations aimed at overthrowing foreign governments only to make sure they could exploit the resources of the nation being, at that very moment, the target of their economic and financial needs.
And then, now, playing the terrorist card which came handy after the tragic and yet not fully clarified happenings of 11/9, should we clap our hands at the methods used by the current Administration which doesn't care about the thousands and thousands civilian victims in a war that was waged on fake and pretextuous reasons, where torture made its show more than once and where the dignity of man, no matter if a child or a terrorist is tramped upon according to the theory that the end justifies any and all means (and what we are seeing is possibly only the peak of the iceberg), a war where even innocent young Americans shed their lives so that the oil and strategic policies of their Administration could finally be achieved with the few rich ones getting richer and the poor and needy getting poorer and thinner every day while the financial budget shows trillions of dollars of debts with foreign countries and many are those who figure out what America is going to face is a total bankrupt which will carry along with it those countries whose commercial and financial deals are primarily based on an exchange with the States.
I'm just wondering how long it will take for that portion of Americans who feel ashamed about the current trend, to understand that such a policy will inevitably bring along a constantly downing of friendliness and sharing among those states and people who have been on their side in the past 4 or 5 decades.
I do hope that slice of the population gets larger and powerful so that with the next elections the world may look at the constantly ever new miracle of the dawn breaking after such a long spell of dark and helplessness.
I still love the Stars and Stripes, but lately they appeared to me a little bit changed to a point where the hakenkreutz looked like shadowing the silhouettes of those beautiful stars. Maybe, it's time to wash the window so that all can see the beauty that's inside.
Merry Xmas and may the Lord bring His soothing love to each and everyone of those who won't celebrate it with a joyful heart for the loss of one of their dearest folks and may each family in America and anywhere else experience the sweet, encouraging and enlightening caress of the One who died on the Cross so that all, no exception, all might live.

Posted by: Emilio | December 7, 2005 04:15 PM

LWP & Caroline:

I can find no better words, no better play on words and no clearer enunciation of my feelings of despair and anguish over the direction of this country, the US of A, and the corruption of one of the most important documents that has existed in addition to the Magna Carta, the Constitution, than the following:


It is the text of the lecture due to be broadcasted Saturday in Stockholm given by Harold Pinter this years Nobel Prize winner in Literature. It has been prerecorded due to Pinter's inability to be there in person. It is unlikely that I will be able to view it unedited given its content in this country. Sad but true.

Posted by: Cait | December 8, 2005 03:47 AM

It was a very interesting lecture Cait, and it would be wonderful if it was in the media in the U.S. but that democracy does not exist anymore. Truth has to be presented in alleys in America, wearing sunglasses, and running for your life once you have it.
Bush did it.

Posted by: SpeakoutforDemocracy | December 8, 2005 09:20 AM

yes.this is my site http://rublik.otbet.ru/car_insurance/car_insurance_canada.html Thanks.

Posted by: car insurance online policy | December 26, 2005 07:04 AM

The comments to this entry are closed.


© 2006 The Washington Post Company