It's so depressing to see Israel undermine itself once again -- responding to provocation with excessive, brutal force, thereby further alienating Arabs and driving them into the hands of the likes of Hezbollah. With George Bush egging Israel on, I expect this conflict will only get worse. What a sad waste. And how terrifying, to see a huge swath of humanity being caught up in all-out war. It's hard for me to see how any of this makes us safer as Americans.

http://israel-media-opinion.blogspot.com/

Do you guys spell check and check for correct grammar? It would appear not. Multiple mistakes in this document make me question just how good this paper/web site really is?

Israel has no choice but to make it so miserable for those who make war on them that those people tire of even the idea.

That does not mean that when a tired and hungry enemy becomes willing to listen to overtures for peace they should not feed their enemy and sit him down to talk...but only if he is isolated effectively from resources to do further damage and does not bring a wire that connects him to others that encourage him or arm him to blow himself up ...in the name of Allah! ONLY A FOOL would SIT DOWN WITH SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO BLOW HIMSELF UP TO WIN!

Israel is committing terrorism pure and simple by intentionally killing Lebanese civilians in an effort to punish not Hezbollah but Lebanon. What happened to the Bush Administration's brave commitment to Lebanon? Why is the U.S. willing to threaten Syria with war to protect Lebanon sovreignity from it, but will not lift a finger to prevent Israel from attacking it with American arms? No more lies! Israel is a terrorist state, plain and simple.

I am now over 64 years old. I remember shedding tears as I read "Exodus" and learned about the Holocaust. For at least half my life I have been a strong supporter of the right of Israel to exist where it is, and in peace.

Jews must realize that there are millions of people in the world now who, like myself, have changed their opinion of the validity of Israel's claim to existence as a state. The Jews have opened themselves to ridicule with their treatment of Palestinians (No land, no water, no jobs, no hope.), and this latest mindless overreaction to the kidnapping of one soldier has only reduced the validity of the constant Israeli claim to moral superiority even further.

Clearly, Israel could not continue to exist at all were it not for the unreasonable and disproportionate aide it receives from my country, the United States. I resent the unfair way in which my country distributes money and arms in the Middle East, and profoundly resent the implication, so often spattered about, that I am anti-Semitic because I object.

The time has come for Jews to realize they will never establish a peaceful existence where Israel is now located and that it is time to scatter the tribe once again, and forever. Sorry, but you are just too unreasonable to be able to make things work. We have really tried to help you.

I don't see the justification for USA to get invloved into this matter. I wonder why always and all the times USA has to make comment on behalf of Isreal? and why should we spend our money, and war power to protect them all the times? They created all of the mess , so let them deal with it? And if USA wants to be a big brother ... then be equall to all siblings. don't take side the one u like best! If you want to see something see with both eyes...you can see better with two eyes than one! We are tried to see double standard.

The problem of Israelis and Palestanians are some may not accept Both have right to live in peace and prosperity. IT is quetion of TWO rights Vs. right against wrong. It is quite possible to have lasting peace if both side accept the entire israel, Gaza and West Bank to be part of one country (Greater Israel with all people have the same citizenship and leave in peace). Isreal has done this before and included all Arabs who stayed in israel after 1948 the citizen of Israel.(I believe it has 6 Arabs in Keneset). ISRAEL could do again. It is nolonger a pure Jewish state because 24% of its citizens are Arabs and Moslem. Greater Israel with all people who have the same right and Constituition makes Israel a proud Country to live in peace and prosperity.

If all arabs disarmed tomorrow the violence would end. If all Isrealis disarmed tomorrow Isreal would cease to exsist.
Think about it?

"Israel undermine itself again"?

I suppose you would like them to lay down their weapons and let the terrorists "drive them into the sea" as they've threatened so often?

"Even further alienating Arabs"?

These are the same people who teach their children from birth to hate and klll Jews, Tony. There's little Israel to "further alienate" them.

As an American, 9/11 should have proven to you that there is only one way to deal with terrorists: not at all.

The European Union criticized Israel for its "disproportionate use of force" in responding to years of rocket attacks, recent armed incursions on both northern and southern Israel borders, and sponsoring governments using surrogates to kidnap and murder its citizens.

Hamas, and its sponsor Syria, and Iran by its extension Hezbollah, have made it quite publicly clear, in words and in deeds; that the only outcome they will accept is the complete destruction of Israel.
Answers this question please European Union? When someone wants you dead and repeatedly shows this to you for 40 years, by murdering your citizens, raining missiles on your cities, hijacking your planes, kidnapping and killing your soldiers, and athletes........Please enlighten me. What should be a "proportionate use of force"?

Or answer me this: If Spain rained 100 missiles on Paris, murdered its citizens, attacked its military, then went on world-wide television to dare France to respond. Tell me, what would be the French governments "proportionate use of force" be?

Also worth mentioning: Does anyone reading this letter believe for one second Iran is developing nuclear technology for "PEACEFUL PURPOSES ONLY"? When they finally have a nuclear weapons in their hands with "scores-to-settle" what "proportionate-use-of-force" can we expect from them. Remember, to Iran, America is the "Great Satan"

Nowhere in any news or opinion piece is there an examination of how Condoleeza Rice is being sidelined by Cheney & Co.

Condoleeza Rice was instrumental in getting Ariel Sharon to complete the Gaza disengagement. Some may not realize that Sharon wanted to cancel the deal at the first pretext. To everyone's surprise The Palestinians did not give him a pretext in the months before the withdrawal.
Ever since then hard core Israeli's have been wary of Rice and perhaps that is a reason she has been almost invisible and made to sit it out.

I'm an american and former service member. And I'm sick and tired of all the idiots in the middle east constantly fighting and driving up my costs to fill up my SUV. Hopefully they finish each other off this time once and for all. I have to say though, Israel for all its "superior firepower" that we gave them, seems to be getting its butt kicked by Hezbollah. The latter has a lot to admire for their tenacity. Since they are the military underdogs in this conflict, I hope Hezbollah prevails. Let the firworks continue!

I think it is obsurd that the international community and all the bleeding hearts want out of Israel more then they want from the rest of the international community. If any other country was attacked they would have the right to respond how ever they seem fit. Israel gave up the land that the Palestanians wanted then hamas took over and refused to reconize Israel. I personally think the the whole truth of all of the things going on in the middle east is that the terrorist want to start a war between muslims and the rest of the world.

First off, the arabs are just too violent to begin with. They view everyone that is not a muslim as infidels. They jews in the other hand are arogant and think that they are the one that is right. They might be the chosen people, but they are not right. I say rally up, USA---> attack IRan while israel take care of the other arab countries. rally

Lebanon has suffered a great deal of atrocity and destruction at the hand of the Israeli and a massacre has been committed against the people of the south and the suburb of beirut.yesterday i walked through the streets of beirut as i witnessed the mass destruction of building ,bridges,humanbeing.They all were targetted by the doctrine of George Bush of preemptive war that has been the mean and the solution to solve every conflict.As the channel of diplomacy and negotiation lost its meaning and purpose.the lebanese resistance had demanded many times the release of lebanese prisoners in israeli jails and Israel refused to respond to such demand.the objective of Hezbollah capturing of two soldiers is to force israel to negotiate for the release of its soldiers and my belief it is the only way and the only option that should be taken promptly and without any delay,and i doubt that hezbollah and the leader of hezbollah will ever backdown on this demand.hezbollah despite what many strategists believe have the capability and the means for very long war that can be very destructive and painful for israel and the lebanese are used to carry the burden of the heavy cost that has been imposed on them by the heavy hand that israel apply always against lebanon and its infrastructure.hezbollah will prove few things out of this engagement:first:that hezbollah is credibile and a legitimate resistance and has a base and followers in Lebanon and beyond Lebanon.second:that Hassan Nasrallah is the true leader of the Lebanese who believe in the resistance and every Arab and muslim who support the palestinian and the Lebanese cause .third:expose the Arab leaders who embraced the israeli action of killing , destroying,and created a wedge between the Arab government and its people.Fourth:prove to the world that the international community and the United Nations doesnot carry its responsibility especially when it comes to Israel and the rule of law will be the victim of this conflict ,war is an ugly things and victory will never be achieved in the battle field. Hezbollah willnot be weakened by this operation but the opposite is true and Israel will not be victorious but will be defeated and the only option for this ugly operation for the people of reason to put stop to this madness and start the process of negotiation.We had enough killing.

First off, jews are just too violent to begin with. They view every arabs as shooting targets. I say Iran should fire some missiles to Tel Aviv.

The Palestinians were unarmed for many years and we know what happened to them, they lost their land to jewish-robber-barons-with-weapons-of-mass-destruction.

Now, the Palestinians are proportiantly under armed compare to the 'mightily' armed zionist regime and look at how the Palestinians continue to suffer and be oppressed by a Zionist Colonialist regime (that which supposedly what the American Revolution was waged against).

Colonialism does not bring peace for it is war by its very nature most astutely expressed by that Zionist war-monger mentioned in article above, Olmeg, who claims that he shall not accept "attrition" and yet wage war.

well, this time around, the relentless Zionist aggression is showing signs of weakening. Will the Zionist ever give it up as the racist oppressors in gave it up in Apartheid South Africa?

Jim... I am not Jewish but I can tell that you are an anti-Semite. Scatter the tribes? What are you a Roman god? Do you think you have the right to say that because you have the high moral ground. You only prove that Europeans are right. Americans are arrogant. But they have pinned that on the wrong crowd. It's the liberal elite in this country that are the arrogant fools. Cloaked in their belief of intellectual superiority and reasoning. Right... so you can say cool things like "that it is time to scatter the tribe once again, and forever". You are a very sad individual.

Happy to hear it begins. When these cousins can not live together, let them kill each other. That is none of my business - Persian Boy, Iran.

From the first post: "With George Bush egging Israel on"

????WTF???

who's egging who on? the Islamic community wants Isreal dead, Jews are their enemy PERIOD!!! WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE!

IF ISREAL WANTED THE ARABS TO DIE, THEY WOULD OF INDESCRIMATELY BOMBED EVERYONE -like Hellbizzar would do to Isreal as well as Jews if they had the power...why do you think IRAN is developing the nuke?

Remember, There's a Mosque in Berlin to this day dedicated by Hitler for the Islamic community participating in extermination of the Jews! WAKE UP !!!

and now America is infested with these same Islamic Nazis.

To stop the rocket attacks, Israel should heavily mine the former "occupied" areas it withdrew from. Heck, it should use those areas as a nice little radioactive dump.

If Israel needs to respond to attacks, then I think they should follow the money. Nuke Tehran (yes nuke, not "bomb"). Same with Damascus. They fund Hamas and Hezbollah: without them, those organizations are powerless.

The Middle East has historically been a very brutal place: "diplomacy" means weakness. Shut off the water, bomb the gas stations and the electric plants. Why are you letting "humanitarian" vehicles in again to feed and medicate the people who want to kill you? If the UN is bellyaching that much, they can airdrop supplies. These are democratically elected governments in the Palestinian areas and Lebanon: it's not a popular view, but the only way to make their citizenry understand there are consequences for their electoral actions is to make them pay very, very dearly for them.

Jim,

The following quote is from their holiest of books and it is not cherry picked, there are hundreds and hundreds more where that came from.

Islam's primary directive to be accomplished no matter what the cost.

Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."

Educate yourself Jim know the real enemy!

Israel support democracy plain and simple.

We are told that there is a difference between extremist Islam and peaceloving normal Islam.
Judging by their behavior, Muslims are anti-West, anti-Democracy, anti-Christian, anti-Jewish, anti-Buddhist, and anti-Hindu. Muslims are involved in 25 of some 30 conflicts going on in the world: in Afghanistan, Algeria, Bangladesh, Bosnia, Congo, Cote d'Ivoire, Cyprus, East Timor, India, Indonesia (2 provinces), Kashmir, Kazakastan, Kosovo, Kurdistan, Macedonia, the Middle East, Nigeria, Pakistan, Philippines, Sudan, Russia-Chechnya, Tajikistan, Thailand, Uganda and Uzbekistan.
Doesn't this mean that extremist Islam is the norm and normal Islam is extremely rare?

Is Hezbollah the extreme or the norm?

From the first post: "With George Bush egging Israel on"

????WTF???

who's egging who on? the Islamic community wants Isreal dead, Jews are their enemy PERIOD!!! WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE!

IF ISREAL WANTED THE ARABS TO DIE, THEY WOULD OF INDESCRIMATELY BOMBED EVERYONE -like Hellbizzar would do to Isreal as well as Jews if they had the power...why do you think IRAN is developing the nuke?

know, There's a Mosque in Berlin to this day dedicated by Hitler for the Islamic community participating in extermination of the Jews! WAKE UP !!!

and now America is infested with these same Islamic Nazis.

AN OPEN LETTER TO THE WORLD

Dear World,

I understand that you are upset by us, here in Israel. Indeed, it appears that you are quite upset, even angry. (Outraged?)
Indeed, every few years you seem to become upset by us. Today, it is the "brutal repression of the Palestinians"; yesterday it was Lebanon; before that it was the bombing of the nuclear reactor in Baghdad and the Yom Kippur War and the Sinai campaign.
It appears that Jews who triumph and who, therefore, live, upset you most extraordinarily. Of course, dear world, long before there was an Israel, we - the Jewish people - upset you. We upset a German people who elected Hitler and upset an Austrian people who cheered his entry into Vienna and we upset a whole slew of Slavic nations - Poles, Slovaks, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Russians, Hungarians and Romanians. And we go back a long, long way in the history of world upset. We upset the Cossacks of Chmielnicki who massacred tens of thousands of us in 1648-49; we upset the Crusaders who, on their way to liberate the Holy Land, were so upset at Jews that they slaughtered untold numbers of us. For centuries, we upset a Roman Catholic Church that did its best to define our relationship through inquisitions, and we upset the arch-enemy of the church, Martin Luther, who, in his call to burn the synagogues and the Jews within them, showed an admirable Christian ecumenical spirit.
And it is because we became so upset over upsetting you, dear world, that we decided to leave you - in a manner of speaking - and establish a Jewish state. The reasoning was that living in close contact with
you, as resident-strangers in the various countries that comprise you, we upset you, irritate you and disturb you. What better notion, then, than to leave you (and thus love you)- and have you love us and so, we decided to come home - home to the same land we were driven out 1,900 years earlier by a Roman world that, apparently, we also upset. Alas, dear world, it appears that you are hard to please. Having left you and your pogroms and inquisitions and crusades and holocausts, having taken our leave of the general world to live alone in our own little state, we continue to upset you. You are upset that we press the poor Palestinians. You are deeply angered over the fact that we do not give up the lands of 1967, which are clearly the obstacle to peace in the Middle East Moscow is upset and Washington is upset. The "radical" Arabs are upset and the gentle Egyptian moderates are upset.
Well, dear world, consider the reaction of a normal Jew from Israel. In 1920 and 1921 and 1929, there were no territories of 1967 to impede peace between Jews and Arabs. Indeed, there was no Jewish
State to upset anybody Nevertheless, the same oppressed and repressed Palestinians slaughtered tens of Jews in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Safed and Hebron. Indeed, 67 Jews were slaughtered one day in Hebron in 1929.

Dear world, why did the Arabs - the Palestinians - massacre 67 Jews in one day in 1929? Could it have been their anger over Israeli aggression in 1967? And why were 510 Jewish men, women and children
slaughtered in Arab riots between > 1936-39? Was it because Arabs were upset over 1967? And when you, dear world, proposed a UN Partition Plan in 1947 that would have created a "Palestinian State" alongside a tiny Israel and the Arabs cried "no" and went to war and killed 6,000 Jews - was that "upset" caused by the agression of 1967? And, by the way, dear world, why did we not hear your cry of "upset" then? The poor Palestinians who today kill Jews with explosives and firebombs and stones are part of the same people who, when they had all the territories they now demand be given to them for their state - attempted to drive the Jewish state into the sea. The same twisted faces, the same hate, the same cry of "itbach-al-yahud" (Massacre the Jew!) that we hear and see today, were seen and heard then. The same people, the same dream - destroy Israel. What they failed to do yesterday, they dream of today, but we should not "repress" them.

Dear world, you stood by during the holocaust and you stood by in 1948 as seven states launched a war that the Arab League proudly compared to the Mongol massacres. You stood by in 1967 as Nasser, wildly cheered by wild mobs in every Arab capital in the world, vowed to drive the Jews into the sea. And you would stand by tomorrow if Israel were facing extinction. And since we know that the Arabs-Palestinians dream daily of that extinction, we will do everything possible to remain alive in our own land. If that bothers you, dear world, well, ­ think of how many times in the past you bothered us. In any event, dear world, if you are bothered by us, here is one Jew in Israel who could not care less.
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Well...., I WISH THE WORLD BE CONCERNED AND GIVE SAME RIGHTEOUS ATTITUDE AND CONDEMNATION WHEN MOSLEMS KILL MOSLEMS AND CHRISTIANS IN Africa + Asia +Europe

LEAVE US SOME ROOM TO DEFEND OURSELVES WHILE YOU PROTECT YOUR BORDERS FROM THE INFLUX OF MOSLEMS WHO WANT TO INSPIRE YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS THAT IN THE NAME OF ALLAH , ONE SHOULD KILL ALL NON- MOSLEM.

(P.S.- THAT MEANS YOU)

IF YOU ARE A WOMEN COVER UP.

Hizbollah's bold unprovoked attacks on Israel are because of Iranian backing.Syria too can throw it's weight around because it knows big brother Iran will defend it.If Israel takes care of Iran that will be a nip in the bud.
The Iranians are trying to tire you before they come in directly.

The following is the twisted mindset of one who lies and those lies come straight from the demons mouth:

-Mahmoud, a special envoy sent from Beirut, said Israel's disregard of the Lebanese government's willingness to negotiate through the UN and other parties to resolve the situation that led to the offensive "is clear evidence of the escalatory intentions of the Israelis and their determination to kill and destroy."

The above quote is a paid announcment from the demon/antichrist himself!
The Islamic Nazis are the ones that are determined to destroy & kill Israel!

While Israel destroys Hezbollah, I hope they take care of the Palestinians and Iran too.

The Old Testament says:

I will bless those who bless Israel and I will curse those who curse Israel.

Jews, Christians, Atheists, Budhists, Hindus and all other non-Muslims are in the same boat.

Islam wants to destroy us all.

Qur'an:47:4 "When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam."

To defeat them (Muslims) we have to know what they believe. This requires reading enough of their scriptures however revolting that may be.

Long Live the Infidels.

wow, a lot of sensationalists and idiots posting here. i love when people pull quotes from holy books, it's hilarious. thank you for "educating" us.

ccool,

If you can't do math it is because you didn't
read a math book and learn allowing others to cheat you.

If you end up dead or forced to convert to Islam it is because you did not study Islam and learn the danger that it represents so that you might be able to prepare and defend yourself and your country.

As an Israeli citizen I can tell you that IL is threatened not only by countries like Syria and Iran but also from extremes terrorist organizations like Hamas and Hizbolla. Thease organizations take the opportunity that they are not sovereign countries so neither any international rule is being applyed on them, nor any country tries to stop them. Today Hizbolla is bombarding northen IL and troughout the world exept the U.S we can hear censures against IL, in other words legitimization for Terror

A War We Must Fight
Lebanon has suffered a great deal of atrocity and destruction at the hand of Israel and a massacre has been committed against the people of the South and the suburb of Beirut. Yesterday I walked through the streets of Beirut as I witnessed the mass destruction of buildings, bridges, and the lives of human beings taken away. They all were targeted by the doctrine of George Bush of preemptive war that has been the mean and the solution to solve every conflict. As the channel of diplomacy and negotiation lost its meaning and purpose, the Lebanese resistance had demanded many times the release of Lebanese prisoners in Israeli jails and Israel refused to respond to such demand. The objective of Hezbollah capturing of two soldiers is to force Israel to negotiate for the release of its prisoners, and in my belief, it is the only way and the only option that should be taken promptly and without any delay, and I doubt that Hezbollah and the leader of Hezbollah will ever back down on this demand. Hezbollah, despite what many strategists believe have the capability and the means for very long war that can be very destructive and painful for Israel and the Lebanese are used to carry the burden of the heavy cost that has been imposed on them by the heavy hand that Israel applies always against Lebanon and its infrastructure. Hezbollah will prove few things out of this engagement.
 First: Hezbollah is credible and a legitimate resistance and has a base and followers in Lebanon and beyond Lebanon.
 Second: Hassan Nasrallah is the true leader of the Lebanese who believe in the resistance and every Arab and Muslim who supports the Palestinian and the Lebanese cause.
 Third: To expose the Arab leaders who embraced the Israeli action of killing, destroying, and created a wedge between the Arab government and its people.
 Fourth: prove to the world that the international community together with the United Nations does not carry its responsibility especially when it comes to Israel and the rule of law will be the victim of this conflict.
 Fifth: the Israeli invasion of 1982 was responsible for the creation of the Lebanese Hezbollah and the Lebanese resistance and the aftermath of what seemed of this new Israeli invasion will extend the Hezbollah movement into the Arab World and the Muslim World and will lead to weaken the Arab establishment that has been supported by the American Administration and who had a peace treaty with Israel.
War is an ugly thing and victory will never be achieved in the battle field. Hezbollah will not be weakened by this operation but the opposite is true and Israel will not be victorious but will be defeated; the only option for this ugly operation for the people of reason to put stop to this madness and start the process of negotiation. We had enough killing.

I am no fan of Islam and the arabs. I would rather die than be converted to islam by the Jihadis. But in spite of the provocation by the hizbollah the over reaction of the israelis seems unreasonable. Killing scores of people because two of theirs were kidnapped seems unreasonable. In some sense the israelis and the arabs are about equal in their brutality, although I am some what on the side of the israelis.

All this sadden me.
If the Israelis wants to rout out Hezbollah of Lebanon, they will have to send ground troups. Not only in southern Lebanon, but also in Beirut. Otherwise, Hezbollah will prevail. Sending in boots means a war, a regional conflict that will involve Syria and Iran. Think about it, Israel will not eradicate Hezbollah. Do you, for one second, think that by destroying bridges, airports, highways, powerplants, in short the whole lebanese infrastructure, Hezbollah will be wiped out? Well, think twice, because it's not going to work, unless - and I am not so sure - Israel send in ground troops.
So far, Israel has achieve nothing, and, in the end, after having destroyed a country, she will bend to the negotiation table and accept the prisonner swap...
It's so sad, so sad,...

@ Jim

"so often spattered about, that I am anti-Semitic because I object."

To defend the arabs or palestinians when they deserve to be defended, to criticize israel governments and policies when they deserve to be criticized, won't make of you an "anti-semite", despite that well-known pitiful and pathetic, fallacious and terrorist rhetoric propagandized worldwide. FYI arabs are semite, and a large part of the israelis, or of my jewish friends, just share your fair and balanced opinion.

This conflict is boring everybody worldwide since decades, USA's past and present governments have fueled this conflict by selling and financing Israel's weapons and occupation, they have put their U.N.'s veto every time to defend counter-productive israeli policies that are sometimes just plain war crimes.

USA's gov is "not a partner for peace" nor a decent referee in this conflict.
If things continue that way, see you there in ten years.

http://www.answers.com/topic/semite

Israel will never defeat its enemies in asymetric warfare. Should Israel be foolish enough to attack Iranian nuclear sites, both Israel and the West will face a horrific economic collapse. Not only will Iran close the Strait of Hormuz with mines but will target prime oil installations in the Persian Gulf including those of Saudi Arabia. Furthermore, it will destroy Israel's nuclear site at Dimona, refineries in Haifa, military complexes etc.. In addition American warships in the Gulf will be primary targets for Iran's unstoppable Russian sunburn cruise missles. Israel was born out of zionist terrorism and will perish the same way. It has created so much grief for Palastinians and Arabs alike. It is a country ruled by zionist mad man who have so much innocent blood on their hands. Contrary to zionists and the US elite, Israel does not have a right to exist - it is an illegal state.

Everyone seems to argue these questions with no resolutions: Are the Arabs bad, or is it the Israelis? Do the Jews have the legitimate rights to the land or the Arabs? Who is the terrorist? Is attacking good or bad?

I just think it's time (for about 60 years) for everybody to BACK OFF! Everybody has now taken it to the point where it's too personal. It's like a bad marriage where the spouses have now driven each other completely nuts.

There is no black and white here, just lots of shades of grey.

I can see no good comming out of these latest troubles. It's an eye for an eye, and everyone is left blind.

Once again, commoners in the US will pay for the Zionist influence among our royalty. More US soldiers will die in Iraq because part of the reaction to Israel's latest form of perpetuating its military occupation in the West Bank. Anthony Cordesman so noted yesterday, and Sadr in Iraq is rallying its militia against the US military there in response to Israel's assault on Lebanon. This is why Rice is begging Israel to show restraint. You didn't think it was because she cares about the lives of ordinary Lebanese, did you? The cause-effect is clear: Israel acts, Americans die.

What suckers US commoners are for Israel and Zionism! Absolutely suckers!

Israel was provoked and had distinct choices on how to react. Are these actions designed get the soldiers released? It doesn't look that way. Perhaps Israel is frustrated to have the US and EU dealing with Iran, when they would rather take it on themselves. I say go for it. But please don't make me pay for it. I'm really tired of my tax money buying military hardware for Israel. How can a country act so proud, when they are really so dependent?

The USA supports Israel not just because where buddies but they are vital to keeping a lot of these terrorist groups at bay cos these groups don't just hate Israel they also really hate America.

Groups like Hamas and Hizbollah are cowards. Why? They use human shields.

Here's a novel thought. If H&H stopped operating from within civilian areas, civilians would be less likely to be blown up.

Let's try this again people. If H&H stopped using civilians as cover...

OH, here's another novel thought for Hamas. When Israel gives back the Gaza strip, try building homes, business farms, roads, community centers. Heck, even schools.

So, Hamas and the Palestinians had an option for Gaza. Did they choose to better their people?

No, they chose to launch rockets at Israel on a daily basis.

Israel pulled out of Lebanon six years ago. Hizbollah had the same choice as Hamas.

Did they want to build schools and business and homes? No.

They would rather sit on the line and antagonise Israel for the last six years to further consolidate their power base in Lebanon.

It sickens me to watch the destruction in Lebanon. Just like it sickens me to watch the destruction in Iraq.

I'm ready to ask Israel to relocate to the US.

I'll gladly take their money, army, education, businesses, sense of nationalisim and determination.

I am sick and tired of the global community screaming bloody murder over the "poor Arabs".

WTF is "dis-proportiante" force? Since when did a body count determine what is proportionate in war?

Why should Israel just sit there and take it?

Imagine walking to work everyday, and an ethinic group throws stones at you, all along your walk to work.

Should you just take it? If so, for how long?

What if your neighbor, in the cubicle next to you, continuosly sabotaged your work, called you inferior and vowed to have you fired?

No one else has the right to determine how you respond, to protect your livelyhood and the livelyhood of your family.

You reap what you sow.

I cannot wait for the US to become energy independent so the Mullahs, Bollahs, Hamasses can find a new whipping boy. Hmm, maybe China?

Hezbollah kicking @ss and taking names! With rockets and AK74s against aircraft and tanks, Hezbollah is going to defeat Israel once again like in 1982 and like it defeated the US Marines. That is one tough and organized rebel group.

Our idiot president will never learn that you cannot defeat a resistance with the full support of the people. Just like how Vietnam defeated us and how the Iraqi insurgents will eventually force us to leave on their terms. The Lebanese people love Hezbollah and because of that Hezbollah will prevail.

Go Hezbollah!

"And I'm sick and tired of all the idiots in the middle east constantly fighting and driving up my costs to fill up my SUV."

GI Joe,
I'm glad you are able to see things from such a selfless, idealistic perpective.
I suggest that you switch to alternative fuels. From your comment it is apparent that the material you produce by renal filtration is at least 85% pure ethanol, and can be used directly. Try it!

Peter,
Rice is "sitting this out out" (not by her own wish) because she's an idiot, thoroughly discredited and laughed at abroad. Second only to Bush. What could she
accomplish? The foreign service boys at State have proped her up enough to walk around, but no one thinks she has any clout, let alone any respect or ideas. She wears spike heels, though.

All the bleating about by Israli partisans about don't you know "they" want to destroy Israel? Like that willl change minds of those who detest Israeli' latest aggression. Never stops. Yes, everyone knows... and the great majority of the world think that would be great. You'd hear such cheering. "Jim's" post above talks about dispering the "tribe" again as a way to world peace. If that'd been the case 9/11 wouldn't have happened, etc etc. Think about it.

"n"...regarding your Letter to the World...
recounting how many times Jews have been hated. WHY do you suppose that is? Has that question never given you pause? No other race has been so detested wherever and whenever it has appeared. Can't get along with anyone.
Why, do you think? Not a rhetorical question: Love to hear your answer. And not the "chosen people" thing, please...the Jewish bible written by Jews
declared them the chosen. No one else ever has.

People who only see "disproportionate force" in Israel's responses in Lebanon are determined to make a villian out of Israel --whatever the facts may be. They don't care that Hezbollah has been arming to the teeth since Israel withdrew from Lebanon years ago. They are not upset by Hezbollah's incursions into Israel as they've ratcheted up their harassment. They consider the unprovoked murder and abduction of Israeli soldiers to be a minor irritation that's certainly nothing to get THAT upset about.
Hamas and Hezbollah are getting what they deserve for their unremitting hatred and harassment of Israelis. Israel has shown itself willing to live and let live. Its enemies refuse to do the same. They send down their rockets and suicide bombers to kill civilians DELIBERATELY and then they run to the press and denounce Israel for being indifferent to civilan casualties when it defends itself.
This is a fight that Israel must win, and win decisively, or else be destroyed. Hezbollah has been sharpening its knives for years without the slighest interest in peaceful compromise. Now they've made their move to test the Israeli will. The calls for restaint and moderation by well-intentioned peaceloving people will be appropriate only after the battle is won.

It seems that some people are convinced that Hamas started this latest conflict with their kidnapping of an Israel soldier. But what about the bombing of the innocent Palestinian beach goers in Gaza by Israel before the kidnapping. Didn't Hamas have a right to retaliate for this action or is retaliation only allowed by Israel. It seems as if the the US media turns a blind eye to the killing of civilians by Israel as long as there is some military objective. There are numerous every day provocations by Israel against the Palestinians, for example the building of the wall and the refusal to negotiate over Jeruselum. The US needs to stop protecting Israel and force them to negotiate equally with their neighbors. Israel is a bully whose use of force is totally disproportiate. At the present time Israel main terrorist state in the Middle east

I am four years older than Jim, but I went through a similar process of being Pro-Israel to being indifferent to it. I know too much about it now to regard it as a friend of America. But,I have given up the concept of "friendship" between countries. I believe the U.S. must follow its own national interest. The Israeli/Palestinian conflict must be worked out by the people involved. My major interest in this conflict is to see some kind of peace agreement, so that civilians on both sides can live in peace and raise their children in safety.
I think Israel is overly optimistic if it thinks it can dispose of Hizbullah in a matter of weeks. I would not be surprised to see a protracted war that covers all of Lebanon. Israel will certainly have an opportunity to test its Arrow Missile Defense System. Like our system, I believe it is a waste of money. I hope they are not dumb enough to go into Syria or attack Iran. But,I think they are as stupid as the Bush Administration. They both don't know the difference between a tactical and a strategic victory.
I am almost glad that we are tied down in Iraq and Afghanistan so the Administration is not tempted to rush into this conflict. Almost is the operative word.

"phiffer"...

WTF do you mean? Why don't you provide us with a wise, detailed and studied history of what the Jews have done to be hated over the millenia, if you're so smart? I'm waiting.... yeah, that's what I thought... idiot.

P. J. Casey,

I admire your wishes in the statment, "The Israeli/Palestinian conflict must be worked out by the people involved".

But, as long as there are militias and regimes outside of Israel/Palestine who seek the destruction of the Jewish state, there will be no peace. And, as long as the peoples of this region are taught to hate and kill Jews from the age of five, there will be no peace (For examples of this, check out .)

And it's not in the interest of regimes like Iran and Syria to have a peaceful two-state deal. The Palestinian situation is their puppet, the secret outlet for their hatred of and desire to destroy the Jews.

They, as sovereign nations, could never directly attack Israel, as this would give Israel legitimate reason to retaliate against them. So, whenever a possible peace deal nears, militias like Hamas and Hizbollah will always do something to disrupt it.

Call me pessimist, pragmatist or realist, but I don't ever see peace in the Middle East as happening... at least not until one side or the other is pummelled into total submission. And even then, the violent, warring culture, the seemingly only one that the Arabs and Muslims know, would probably continue in Sunni-v-Shia fashion.

phiffer:
"...Jews have been hated. WHY do you suppose that is?"

Those who hate the Jews have given their reasons: "they've conspired to take over the world" or "they killed our lord" or "they poison the wells" or "they're vermin that should be exterminated" or "they're the sons of pigs and monkeys" or "they're taking over the banks" or "they bake matzohs with the blood of Christian children".

You insinuate is that it's something the Jews did to cause their own difficulties in dealing with such REASONABLE people.

phiffer:
"the Jewish bible written by Jews declared them the chosen. No one else ever has."

My apologies, I overlooked that anti-Semitic favorite: "they think they're chosen".

Now I hope people realize why most Arabs with all their flavors: Muslims/Christians/Marxists/liberals/conservatives, hate Israel.

Within 2 days, the Israeli government has killed about 100 people, almost all civilians, only because an armed group attacked few of the military targets.

On saturday alone, Israeli government killed at least 32 civilians including 15 children.

Arab Gulf governments must act and CUT THE OIL OFF.

All Arab diplomatic relations with this terrorist state of Israel must be cut off completely.

Boycott Israeli products.

The Israeli only wants peace on their terms.

They are making up for the 2000 years of "persecution" now that they feel powerful.

Raj Kumar:

I am an Arab from Morocco and I read your racist commentary against Arabs as a people.

Your racist comment is no different than writing "I am no fan of blacks, Jews, white people, etc".

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Who gave the Jews the right to re-establish a nation, anyway? If they'd only contented themselves with surviving the odd progrom and/or massacre, everything would have been fine! They're so stubborn and overbearing, that way.

Ted Strout:

Please leave the Jews as a people out of this.

Many Jewish people sympathize with Israel, but there are many who don't.

Israel must be condemned as a political entity, not as a religious entity.

It is not Judaism that is killing innocent people but the Israeli army is.

It's clearly time to pull the plug on the most violent, racist and terrorist "state" in history. Israel has got to be stopped.

Karim: anti-Zionim = anti-semitism.

You're right, Ellis. Israel must be condemned for having the temerity to defend the lives of her children.

Ted Strout: Your point is valid. This is the label you always get when you comment on the actions of the state of Israel.

Israel thinks it can keep the land by subjugating the Palestinians by brute force.

We have seen such monster occupation regimes around the world, but none has survived before the will of the people. South Africa, India, etc are unforgettable examples where freedom prevailed ultimately. That time is not far away in Palestine.

MR. Ted Strout. You throw around the term
"anti semitism" as though it were some kind of show stopper. WOW, Oh boy, everyone will stop speaking and thinking if called anti-semites! Be advised most people, here and all over the world, are-- and their numbers certainly rise when the savage Israelis pull the stuff they're pulling now. Hmmm, wonder why.

Israel was attacked on the moment of its conception, and has not been allowed peace since. If they're brutal in retaliating, it's their enemies and those like Ellis who support them who've made them that way.

Hey "surprise news", guess what? You're an anti-semite. (That describes someone who holds Jews to a different standard than any other people, just so you know.)

In case anyone is interested, the family of Corporal Shalit has repeatedly stressed its wish that Israel would negotiate his release.
And the saddest thing of all is that, in the end, that is probably what will happen anyway - sooner, if Olmert's strategy is seen as successful back home; later (much later) if Israel becomes embroiled in another bloody occupation, or pushes Lebanon into another civil war.
So much blood is being spilled, so many lives destroyed, and ultimately they will arrive at the same place anyway.

It's sad all the way around. But Israel can't sit back and allow rockets to be fired at its cities. No other country in the world would be expected to put up with it.

JAM AND der EWIGE JUDGE--- Answers to your questions! Read post "LETTER TO THE WORLD" above by, undoubtedly a Jewish person, which outlines history very well. And JAM, are you a comic or do you suggest that the hatred has anything to do with anything but behavior? That's so funny, but sad sort of. Check the newest chapter of behavior, started last week to world comdenation. Savage.

Mr. Strout

It is you that that thinks that Israel can operate under different rules. If only Israel had to negotiate equally with their neighbors there might be middle east peace. At present the have already declared that they will not negotiate over the fate of Jeruselum and have built a wall which takes more Palestinian land. Isreal has the largest army in the Middle east, has the only weapons of mass destruction in the Middle east and has the US to defend it every move and protect it from the Security Council. Israel will not be destroyed but uses this argument to defend it's disproportionate actions. It must be nice to be the victim and bully at the same time. By the way, you must anti-muslum since you hold the muslims to a different standard.

Ted Strout. Oh, you go, boy. Educate enilghten and TED STROUT. You go boy. Tell us all what to do and why. Educate and elighten and elucidate. We're all so teribbly inferior to you and yours. Surprise news again.

Ted Strout:

Guess what, the definition of anti-semite is

"Anti-Semitism (alternatively spelled antisemitism) is hostility toward or prejudice against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group, which can range from individual hatred to institutionalized, violent persecution."

Simply criticizing the Israeli government doesn't make you anti-semite. That's not showing hostility. Nor is it hostility towards Jews as a people, but rather, the Israeli government as an institution. Please, use critical thinking.

However, I can honestly say that the majority of the people on this board are anti-arab and anti-muslim. So it's okay to hate arabs and muslims but not okay to even simply say "Israel is using too much force" ??
Oh, the irony.

It's okay to say "Let's nuke Tehran and Syria"?? So you're fighting the concept of bloodthirsty terrorism by being...bloodthirsty terrorists? I'm glad you people don't run the government. You all almost make G. W. Bush look good.

(The last few paragraphs are not a knock against Ted, but the whole board in general.)

Mr Trout:

A Semite is defined as a member of one of the races supposedly descended from Shem (the son of Noah). Semitic races include Jews, Arabs, Phoenicians and Syrians.

An anti-semite is basically someone who doesn't like anybody in the middle east. There are quite a few of those in the postings above; they are not confined to only one side of the debate.

Why is it that the causes of Palestinian extremism are never considered. Hamas and hezbolah did not form in a vacum. They formed because the Palestinian people are being denied their human rights on a daily basis. Are people really so stupid that they believe Bush when he says that these groups hate freedom. The US gov makes no effort to help the Palestinians that might upset the Israelis. The Palestinians live in a worse situation then the blacks in South Africa under aparteid and are supposed to be happy when a few crumbs are thrown their way. Such a big deal was made when Israel left Gaza. But wasn't this about 40 years too late. US policies are so hypocritical. We fund democracy in the Ukraine in order to split it away from Russia, but we do nothing to help the people in the occupied territories.

Ted Strout

What about the rockets that Israel fires into Palestinian cities and Lebanon that kill innocent civilians, are these ok or do the palestinians have a right to retaliate?

Arabs and jews are not only historical siblings, they're also equally worthless and a blight upon the human gene pool. It's too bad Hitler didn't finish the job and include arabs on his list.

Then my SUV gas bill would be cheaper.

Matti, Israel has negotiated and negotiated. Unfortunately, only they are required to make concessions in such negotiations. Maybe they're tired of negotiating under these circumstances. As for the wall, tell me, are you equally outraged over the Egyptian/Gaza wall, or doesn't that count?

Surprise news, you should do something about that self-esteem problem.

Ted strout

The egyptian Gaza wall was put up to appease Israel and negotiate means to be willing to give up something to get something. By the way the Gaza wall did not grab Palestinian land. Israel doesn't own the occupied territories, they only control them. If Israel knew that the US would not be there to defend their every move, they would really have to negotiate, not just go through the motions like they do now

Ted Strout

What concessions has Israel made other than to give back land that is not theirs in the first place.

How many innocent Palestinian and Lebanese lives = 1 kidnapped Israeli soldier

Hellooo "phiffer"

Regarding the "newest chapter of behavior"... fully instigated by Hizbollah's kidnapping of the two soldiers on Israel's sovereign land.

Am I a comic? Yes, I do have a sense of humor like most civilized, intelligent people do (and unlike over-emotional morons like you.)

And I'm still waiting for the full list of historical grievances the Jews have caused the world... not as self-defense mind you, but truly initiated acts of aggression, going back over the thousands of years like that letter did.

Well? Where is it, "phiffer"? Idiot.....

"Karim: anti-Zionim = anti-semitism"

Zionism = Racism

Sickening and revolting Qur'an lesson of the day.

Every word of the Qur'an was spoken by Mohammad*.
The Qur'an was finally written down over 150+ years after his death. Hammas and Hizballah gun in one hand and a Qur'an in the other.

Here are some of the verses in the Qur'an that Mohammad* claims Allah revealed to him (via an angel that liked to beat him up and tortured him).

Qur'an 4:80 "He who obeys the Messenger obeys Allah."

Qur'an 4:114 "He who disobeys the Apostle after guidance has been revealed will burn in Hell."

Qur'an 64:12 "So obey Allah, and obey His Messenger (Muhammad*)."

Qur'an 33:36 "No Muslim has any choice after Allah and His Apostle have decided a matter."

From five different Qur'an translations that Mohammad* is number one of all men.

Qur'an 33:21 "You have indeed a noble paradigm in the Apostle of Allah."
[A second translation reads:]
"You have in (Muhammad*) the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern of conduct for anyone to follow."
[A third reads:]
"Verily in the Messenger of Allah you have a good example for him who looks unto Allah and the Last Day."
[A fourth reads:]
"Certainly you have in the Messenger of Allah an excellent prototype."
[A fifth says:] "You have indeed a noble paradigm [archetype, exemplar, standard, model, or pattern] to follow in Allah's Apostle."

Now that it has been established that Mohammad* speaks for Allah, should be obeyed and is the best of men and is to be imitated. I now present to you another two verses.

Qur'an 2:191 "And kill them (Infidels) wherever you find and catch them. Drive them out from where they have turned you out; for Al-Fitnah (polytheism, disbelief, oppression) is worse than slaughter."

Qur'an 9:5 "When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past (sometimes ignored anyways), fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war (includes lying)."

One more to go.

Qur'an 86:13 "Lo this (Qur'an) is a conclusive Word; it is not a thing for amusement. It is no pleasantry. And it is no joke."

No kidding!

* pig piss be upon him.

Dr WHy -

Did u write the Man in the Iron Mask as I see the author is A Dumbass

Truth hurts, don't it Angus?

Nope - just had a Tylenol...

thanks for asking though..

I do not trust Muslims to ever tell the truth, period. Since, Muslims are allowed to lie to Infidels how can anything they say be trusted? Answer: They cannot be trusted, ever.

Muslims emulate Mohammad

Qur'an 33:21 "You have in (Muhammad) the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern of conduct for any one to follow."

Mohammad endorses lying.

Ishaq:519 "Hajjaj said to the Apostle, 'I have money scattered among the Meccan merchants, so give me permission to go and get it.' Having got Muhammad's permission, he said, 'I must tell lies.' The Apostle said, 'Tell them.'"

Tabari VII:94 "Muhammad bin Maslamah said, 'O Messenger, we shall have to tell lies.' 'Say what you like,' Muhammad replied. 'You are absolved, free to say whatever you must.'"

Bukhari: Volume 4 Book 52 Number 268
"Allah's Apostle said, 'War is deceit.'"

Muslims endorse Islam regardless of facts, using whatever means of deception and even truth if it happens to be the case.

Islam will lie, cheat, steal and kill to promote its "religion".

Do you not know that the verses of peace in the Qur'an have been abrogated (made null and void) by the verses of the sword!

The West cannot win until Islam is declared a death cult, a bogus religion or political entity (designed to subjugate its masses, like communism) and then make all out war on it to destroy it completely.

Islam is a cancerous malignancy which cannot be reformed.

here's the facts:

israelis/jews want to live in peace and arabs/moslems (as well as others) live in israel and israel has given land back to arabs/moslems (gaza, sinai).

arabs/moslems want israelis/jews dead and are unwilling to let them (or others) live in peace or in their lands.

if there was no israel, and were no jews, that would not solve the problem. arabs/moslems are never satisfied and cannot co-exist with anyone who is not an arab/moslem.

and if there were only arabs/moslems left in the world, they would fight amongst themselves. they are tribal people with allegiance to their religious, familial, ideological, and/or ethnic clan.

that is how it is, was, and ever shall be.

"Israel has no choice but to make it so miserable for those who make war on them that those people tire of even the idea."

Yeah, right. That's been Israel's strategy since its inception as a state and look where it has gotten them.

Responding to every provocation with excessive force -- killing 100 innocent civilians, and counting, as Israel has just done in Lebanon, in response to two Israeli deaths and the abduction of a couple of soldiers -- sorry, but that only intensifies the hatred that's out there... and teaches the entire world and indeed all of us that Israel is every bit as barbaric -- and more so, in fact -- than its enemies.

The world looks on and sees George W. Bush applauding the side doing the vast majority of the killing; once again, we see evidence of how America is an enemy of peace.

To all of the non-middle-east residents,

I hear your cries and see your tears over so many Palestinian/Lebonese/Egyptian/Syrian dead (can we just say "non-Jew" dead and be done w/ it?) But I never hear even a whimper about any innocent Israeli citizen thoughtlessly murdered by a suicide bomb. Not a peep.

Why do you suppose that is? Surely it couldn't be that these so-called bleeding heart liberals just have to choose a side that their opponent isn't on, do you? Why, that would be knee-jerk, unthoughtful, "racist" and just downright ignorant. Perish the thought....

Wake up left-wing butt-nuts... the so-called terrorists really are psycho. If you doubt me, please post a video of you slicing off a living human head, then we'll talk.

Everyone in the world is trying to look at the current 'war' to see who is at fault. Everyone who is on Israel's side claims: terror and terrorist have caused Israel to act that way. You are correct. Terror and terrorist is wrong and should be fought by means that everyone on this planet says yes I understand and your action is justified. But to blockade a whole nation containing 25,000 Australians and 25,000 Americans tourists, who are on a week vacation bomb the airport and the road out of Lebanon is wrong. I think Israel and the people on Israel's side looking at this from an emotional and loyal viewpoint. It's absolutely your right; I love you. Israelis have suffered hate from Arab terrorists, but a little 2 years old Mariam in Beriut hearing Israel 500 pound bombs doesn't know Hazbillah or Olmert and wasn't involved in kidnapping of soldiers.

When a Prime of Minister of people that his country men look up to, ask for a cease fire to talk to speak the well of his people and Israel refuses, I think that's a crime against the nation of Lebanon. Please if you are trying to protect your anti-semitic/national right, please try to protect the right of the Lebanese people, the cook, the bread maker, the bus driver, and the grandmother. Your blockade is not helping you but harming you. Look in your mind for your answer, lest you be deceived by your emotion.

Very well put, Eyepoints. Thank you. I'd like to offer some Buddist quotes, from a different, yet same, angle and all. thank you

==
However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good
will they do you if you do not act upon them?
-The Buddha

In a controversy the instant we feel anger we have already ceased
striving for the truth, and have begun striving for ourselves.

In the sky, there is no distinction of east and west; people create
distinctions out of their own minds and then beleive them to be true.

Do not speak- unless it improves on silence.

Life wearing brown colored glasses.

Muslims cannot mix with Infidels because of we are on the list of (najis - see wiki) impure/unclean things as enumerated by al-Nawawi.

According to Ruhollah Khomeini, the entire list of things that are considered najis in Shi'ism includes: "urine, excrements, sperm, blood, a dog, a pig, bones [of a dead body], a non-Muslim man and woman (dead or alive), wine, beer, perspiration of the camel that eats filth (what would it be without a camel in the list?). "

Khomeini further specifies that "the whole body of a non-Muslim is unclean, even his hair, his nails, and all the secretions of his body.... A child below the age of puberty is unclean if his parents and grandparents are not Muslims; but if he has a Muslim for a forebear, then he is clean.... The body, saliva, nasal secretions, and perspirations of a non-Muslim man or woman who converts to Islam automatically become pure. As for their garments, if they were in contact with the sweat of the body before their conversion, they will remain unclean."

Additionally, Shi'ites, consider any food prepared by non-Muslims as najis; the same is true for meat of animals slaughtered by non-Muslims.

Muslim view of Infidels - Non-Muslim person is the same as Excrement.

Now, I understand why it is permitted to kill innocent non-muslim civilians. Muslims are only blowing up walking piles of excrement (otherwise commonly known as s#it), sorry Allabooboo, my mistake.

DR. Why:
You must be a Dr. of disinformation and deceipt as you appear to have the mind and evil spirit of a hateful and deranged zionist. When you make a claim, make sure that you substantiate it...or risk being rediculed. Here is a suggestion for you: how about reading your hebrew Talmud and consider its hateful teachings about those who are not jewish (GOYIM). Here is a little treat for you from this Talmud.

Moed Kattan 17a: If a jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.
Sanhedrin 58b: If a heathen (gentile) hits a jew, the gentile must be killed.
Sanhedrin 57a: A jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthen") the wages owed him for work.
Baba Kamma 57a: when a jew murders a gentile, there will be no death penalty. What a jew steals from a gentile he may keep.
Baba Kamma 37b: The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed thie money to Israel."
Yebamoth 98a: All gentile children are animals.
Abodah Zarah 36B: Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.
So check out these and other hateful talmud teaching. Or are they forgeries like the Protocols of the Learned elders of Zion?

rice,

I researched the worst Talmud quotation you mentioned.

Sanhedrin 58b: If a heathen (gentile) hits a jew, the gentile must be killed.

You are right it does say that.

The Talmud is not scripture and many sects of Jews do not follow the Talmud and even those who do, they do not practice this particular quote.

Where as the Qur'an is the considered the literal word of Allah and without error (acording to the ummah (Muslims as a whole)) and is to be obeyed without question. The following is still very much in practice and if not practiced then that Muslim will go to Allah's hell.

Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."

Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."

These Qur'an quotations are very much alive and in practice today you cannot deny it.

See: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

The evidence and daily record of Islamic Terrorist Atacks is recorded near the bottom of the page with links going back to 9/11/2001.

There is also an ongoing project to list all since Islam started.

Here is the link to the Hamas charter.

http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm

Wherein it says:

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."

There are more death wishes for Israel in this Hammas charter if you care to read it.

Rice,

Regarding the Talmud.

This other link (below) says that quote from the Talmud you mentioned is incorrect.

Here they claim it says this:

Misquote. The text doesn't say that he must be killed but that he's worthy of death -- an idiomatic phrase referring to death by the hand of god (struck by lightning etc.). That's because by hitting a man (made in the image of God) you are marring the image of God. The same is also said of Jews who simply raise their hand against others, by the way.

http://www.frum.org/talmud/index.asp

So, not having a copy of the Talmud I cannot say what is the truth in this particular issue here.

When I began researching Islam I bought a Qur'an and read it. Then I bought 4 other translations by Muslims to be sure I was getting the correct interpretation from Arabic. I even have the latest one from Al-Azhar 1,000 year old University in Egypt.

I am not mistaken about what Islam believes and practices. Islam is evil, period.

["I am now over 64 years old. I remember shedding tears as I read "Exodus" and learned about the Holocaust. For at least half my life I have been a strong supporter of the right of Israel to exist where it is, and in peace.

Jews must realize that there are millions of people in the world now who, like myself, have changed their opinion of the validity of Israel's claim to existence as a state. The Jews have opened themselves to ridicule with their treatment of Palestinians (No land, no water, no jobs, no hope.), and this latest mindless overreaction to the kidnapping of one soldier has only reduced the validity of the constant Israeli claim to moral superiority even further.

Clearly, Israel could not continue to exist at all were it not for the unreasonable and disproportionate aide it receives from my country, the United States. I resent the unfair way in which my country distributes money and arms in the Middle East, and profoundly resent the implication, so often spattered about, that I am anti-Semitic because I object.

The time has come for Jews to realize they will never establish a peaceful existence where Israel is now located and that it is time to scatter the tribe once again, and forever. Sorry, but you are just too unreasonable to be able to make things work. We have really tried to help you."]

Posted by: Jim | July 15, 2006 01:33 AM

I myself could not have said any of it any better, sir. May be becuase you have the wisdom that only age brings about.
Thank you!

Further, the truth is, and sadly has always been, that the jews are their own greatest mortal enemy. Yes, they do have, through treachery and deciept, thier own devilish ways of using the power (military, financial, etc.) of the powerful and utilize it for their own selfish "needs" but it is prcisely this that will (unfortunately ?) bring about their own demise. The creation of Israel is totally against the jewish religion. After all, it was none other than God who dispersed them and denied them a homeland of their own like the "rest" of mankind. AND WHY WAS THAT? Just because they conspired and got the U.S on Britain's side in WWII for a promise that Britain would give them a country of their own in (Palestine)- which was under the Brits mandate- does in no way, shape or form legitimize the existence of Israel as a state. Quite to the contrary, the very fact that Israel came about the way it did, is a very loud testament to one sad fact- that the creation of Israel was illegal..and from which it thus follows that its continued existence is both illegal and against natural law.
Another prophesy that some might find disturbing is that because the zionists now control the U.S Government completely (and the world as a whole through this control of the U.S.)and becuase of the unimaginable damage this has done to the U.S and- the much worse damage it will do both to the US and to the rest of the world in the future- and because eventually when the American people wake up (they have just started doing so) and realize all of this- I am more than confident that they will start the "pay back process) and it will not be sweet. Talking about Germany? Americans usually complte the job, whatever it is- even though sometimes they start late. So, by aliantaing the wole world (and eventaully) the American people, they will have no one else to turn to, then. And it ain't going to be pretty. Although out of it will no doubt come world peace and harmony.

Has anybody noticed that our great and wonderful friends, the blood crazed Israelis, are firing on Americans in Beruit? Some 25,000 there that we have to evacuate. With weapons paid for by America.
Those savages don't care about anything, certainly not us. Nothing new in history, is there.

Mattie,

So the Egyptian wall is Israel's fault too? Well, there you go, proving my point. Tell me, when the Egyptians rounded up "Palestinian" Arabs into concentration camps, when they and other neighbors refused to let "Palestinian" refugees become citizens of their countries, was that Israel's fault, too?

TO: LIBERAL WHO GETS IT. And did you then, of course, mourn over all the innocent Germans who were killed IN WWII? The innocent children of Nazis, for example. I doubt it.

Matti said: What concessions has Israel made other than to give back land that is not theirs in the first place.
Posted by: matti | July 15, 2006 06:47 PM

The Israelis have as much right to that land as the "Palestinians", since it was under the control of Egypt and Jordan, not the "Palestinians", prior to Israel's taking over control. So to give it away is a concession. Now tell me, what concessions have the "Palestinians" ever made in the interests of peace and a 2 state solution?

I suppose Matti doesn't think tea is an anti-semite, either.

yeah..keep playing the "anti-semite" card of yours. Its your last card...so play it (hard) while it lasts.
Like it or not, israel will go..sooner or later. If the jews want to live in palestine and play by the rules, the palestinians just might let them do so. However, they will never allow them to run their country as we (politically correct americans) have done. Has there been a place on the face of the entire planet that jews existed on and didn't cause havoc and eventual destruction to? Germany? Russia? Palestine? Now America? Etc. Etc. Etc. When the Americans reclaim their country and become independent who will stand by you? the sad truth is that it's in your genes that you just cannot live and let live. You are just greedy, unreasonable and nothing will ever satisfy you. The more you get, the more more hungry you become and the more you want. America has given you so much and in return you are destroying it. You always claim that all you want is "peace" when in fact, you have proven time and again that all you want is a (BIG)piece of some people's land and treasure. You people need to start looking into your "souls" and try to see to it. May be not everyone is (has been) wrong and you angles are (have always been) and never at fault- as you like to think and portray yourself. May be when you realize the that much (if not all) of the wrong is with you, will things get better for humanity. It might be just what it takes to actually save you from an unpleasant eventaul fate.
You could call me anti-semite as much as you like, but it wont change the fact that i am not. HOWEVER, I just might be one in the making after watching what these savage, bloodthirsty, subhuman israelis are-and have been doing- for far too long now.

LITTLE TEDDY STROUT: You're a silly little mouth-off. Do you think anyone believes your ridiclous version of history? Or, as I've often wondered, is that they garbage they teach you in your schools. Must be some explanation.

LITTLE TEDDY STROUT: You're a silly little mouth-off. Do you think anyone believes your ridiclous version of history? Or, as I've often wondered, is that they garbage they teach you in your schools. Must be some explanation.

Israel is hanging on to its final straws but reality is starting to settle in. The 1948 creation simply was unrealistic. It is a Colony created when all other colonies were just disappearing and countries given back to its rightful owners. The USA better straiten out its policies because being overly pro-Israel will also severely damage our international strenght and reputation. Give the "Israel" land back to the Palestinians and let Jews live there like they do in other Middle Eastern Countries.

Israel is hanging on to its final straws but reality is starting to settle in. The 1948 creation simply was unrealistic. It is a Colony created when all other colonies were just disappearing and countries given back to its rightful owners. The USA better straiten out its policies because being overly pro-Israel will also severely damage our international strenght and reputation. Give the "Israel" land back to the Palestinians and let Jews live there like they do in other Middle Eastern Countries.

A couple of other things i should have mentioned other than that Israel's time (to disappear) has come. With all their education, money from USA, sympathies from guilty Europeans, etc., I expected some love and symphati from their end towards the Palestinians. No way! Several years ago I visited Gaza when everything was still in total peace between israel and palestinians (not like right now). Saw terrible poverty in Northern Gaza, local farmers who only had saline water, etc. Driving some 30 minutes going South I thought I was back in Israel.. Fresh, perfect irrigation water, happy rich farmers (Israeli Settlers), high yields of crops, fruits, etc. truly paradise. But no I was still in Gaza - simply land and water stolen from the Palestinians for "security reasons' - yah, right!! Also in Gaza some special Mediterranean fish was very small and skimpy - reason Palestinians could only go 1 mile into the water. Later in Israel the same fish was juicy, large, tasty - reason the Israelies could go all-the-way to Spain if so wanted. That was all during peace. Now after kidnapping of one Israeli soldier they kill and destroy palestinians in Gaza as they see fit. Same is happening in Lebanon. The Israelis are hateful killers - no doubt about it.

A couple of other things i should have mentioned other than that Israel's time (to disappear) has come. With all their education, money from USA, sympathies from guilty Europeans, etc., I expected some love and symphati from their end towards the Palestinians. No way! Several years ago I visited Gaza when everything was still in total peace between israel and palestinians (not like right now). Saw terrible poverty in Northern Gaza, local farmers who only had saline water, etc. Driving some 30 minutes going South I thought I was back in Israel.. Fresh, perfect irrigation water, happy rich farmers (Israeli Settlers), high yields of crops, fruits, etc. truly paradise. But no I was still in Gaza - simply land and water stolen from the Palestinians for "security reasons' - yah, right!! Also in Gaza some special Mediterranean fish was very small and skimpy - reason Palestinians could only go 1 mile into the water. Later in Israel the same fish was juicy, large, tasty - reason the Israelies could go all-the-way to Spain if so wanted. That was all during peace. Now after kidnapping of one Israeli soldier they kill and destroy palestinians in Gaza as they see fit. Same is happening in Lebanon. The Israelis are hateful killers - no doubt about it.

I couldn't help noticing Dr Why's sorry attempt to paint all Muslims as murderers based on their ancient scripture. I see somebody else already found a bunch of similar quotes from the Talmud. But Dr Why tried to wriggle out by saying the Talmud is not Jewish scripture.

So here are some bloodthirsty snippets from the Old Testament:

"Then I heard the Lord say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all - old and young, girls and women and little children" (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the Lord. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers."

Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt.
(Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

...So...you were saying? The bible also contains endless exhortations to burn witches, stone women who aren't virgins when they marry, kill homosexuals, even kill innocent people to prove your obedience to God. It has a complete Sharia style law code identical to the Koran's. Do I also need to prove this?

Have I proved that all Jews and Christians are hate-filled murderers now? I guess I have...by Dr Why's logic. But really what I've proved is that all these old religious books are full of crap.

Your attempt, Dr Why, to prove that Islam is a murderous religion because of the Koran is evidence only of the fact that you