As Hezbollah wins support throughout the Middle East in the aftermath of the Israeli airstrike that killed at least 57 Lebanese civilians over the weekend, an alternative view of the attack is emerging in blogs -- that the incident was actually staged by Hezbollah.

There where 28 people killed not 57.

Mr Morley - enjoy your vacation - I look forward to your World Opinion Roundup upon your return as I feel they are very important and relevant to US policies and politics.

HAHAHA!.

Good decision. World is a mess. Because human mind is a mess.

During this hiatus in the blog, please visit the following link on a regular basis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Israel-Lebanon_conflict

Wikipedia gives you up-to-date accurate information about the current conflict between Israel and Hezbollah. The key events of this conflict are the following.

1. Hezbollah (firmly supported by the majority of Lebanese) invaded Israel and initiated a vicious military attack against the Israelis. Hezbollah kidnapped two Israelis.

2. Justifiably, Jerusalem responded aggressively by invading Lebanon.

3. The controversy in this conflict is whether the Israeli response is excessive.

Those are the facts. Wikipedia gives you fair and unbiased information. The engineers and computer scientists who maintain Wikipedia make a concerted effort to prevent the numerous Islamic thugs and the occasional Israeli radical from defacing, destroying, or distorting the Wikipedia articles.

Anyhow, fact #3 listed above needs a value judgment. To assign a moral value to the situation, frame the context of the war in terms of your local context.

Suppose that a Mexican vigilante group called La Raza II is tightly integrated into Mexico with the full support of most Mexicans and their government. Suppose that you live in San Diego, California. La Raza II periodically fires weapons, including missiles, into California in an attempt to "liberate" California from Washington. One of those missiles destroys a house in your neighborhood. Then, a group of Mexican thugs from La Raza II crosses the border and invades your neighborhood. The thugs kidnap the 2 teenage girls from the house next to your house and drag them to Mexico. The thugs then repeatedly rape and torture them.

Now, what would you do?

I know what I would do. I would demand that Washington (1) immediately invade Mexico, (2) kill all the members of La Raza II, and (3) de-capitate the Mexican government. I would demand that Washington bomb all the Mexican facilities (e.g., power plants and grocery stores) which support La Raza II.

In short, I support the aggressive Israeli response against Hezbollah.

"During this hiatus in the blog, please visit the following link(s) on a regular basis"

1) jewwatch.com

2)http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm

(Re: Israel's mossad and AIPAC role in 9/11)

3) http://www.serendipity.li/zionism.htm

(Re: Zionism)

Mr. Morley: Have a safe and pleasant vacation! Please come back soon.

atheist,

You are right. The Jews need to show their true face and not hide behind the victims mask.

Thanks for helping to show the truth.

"atheist,
You are right. The Jews need to show their true face and not hide behind the victims mask.
Thanks for helping to show the truth.
Posted by: Tom | August 5, 2006 07:45 AM "

Tom, wether Israel (don't say "jews") realizes it or not they will most certainly, and once again, become the victims!! No way they will overcome this 60 year aniversery of stealing somebodies land, imprisoning 1000nds of Arabs, killing Palestinians, saying "God" favors us (and being primarily Atheists), etc. Even the Arab World looses patience!! I've just returned from Iraq and it is pretty clear that even some 135,000 US Soldiers there are fighting a loosing battle. You really think that Israel has a chance - don't think so.

Jeff Morley, almost forgot. Indeed have a great vacation. I like your issues, references, and Blogs. Have a great time!

Every word comes out of US administration is sounds like Crusader Talk.

Someone in the other thread said , Saying Israel has the "Right to defend itself" is like saying Mafia has the "right to defend itself".

Well said. Israel is religious mafia.

Everyone aware of muslim problem but the israels method are sounds fishy. I see bigger evil in their plan. Don't want to associated with crusaders. They all are evil. Religion is evil.

One brillian mind said
"He who created god was a fool, he who spreads his name is a scoundrel, and he who worships him is a barbarian."

Visit the web page at the following link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Israel-Lebanon_conflict

Wikipedia is fair and accurate. The Wikipedia article states that the Hezbollah Islamic thugs invaded Israel and kidnipped two Israelis. The Islamic thugs insist that the Israelis release Samir Kuntar in exchange for the 2 Israelis.

Click on the following link to learn about Samir Kuntar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samir_Kuntar

What does Wikipedia say about Samir Kuntar?

The Wikipedia article accurately states, "Samir Kuntar shot and killed the father at close range in front of his daughter, and then murdered the four-year-old girl by smashing her head with the butt of his rifle against a rock, crushing her skull."

If you doubt the horrific and sickening actions of Samir Kuntar and his supporters, the Hezbollah Islamic thugs, then please click on the above 2 links. Read the articles carefully.

The Muslims (especially, the Arab Muslims) who write the radical essays in this blog are not freaks. These Muslims represent how most Muslims think and act. Their concept of right and wrong is radically different from the non-Muslim concept of right and wrong.

Use the articles from Wikipedia and the articles (written by Muslims, especially Arab Muslims) from this blog to teach your children that Muslims are radically different from non-Muslims. Print the articles from Wikipedia. Print the pro-Muslim essays from this blog. Compare the articles and the essays; note how the information in the Wikipedia articles differs shockingly from the content of the pro-Muslim essays. Teach this difference to your children. Instill the reasons for this difference in the minds of your children in Vietnam, Poland, Canada, USA, and other non-Islamic countries. Only by teaching the truth to your children can you prepare future generations in dealing with the dangers posed by Islam.

Anagadir

You misunderstood.

When atheist wrote"

"I know what I would do. I would demand that Washington (1) immediately invade Mexico, (2) kill all the members of La Raza II, and (3) de-capitate the Mexican government. I would demand that Washington bomb all the Mexican facilities (e.g., power plants and grocery stores) which support La Raza II.'

He did not apply "victims" methods. He described the methods applied by the nazis.
He must be a converted jew, a nazi want to be.

Have a good day Anagadir, If the jews keep behaving like they do now, your day will come. Be assured!

I notice that you'll be gone on vacation until the end of August. Who knew it would take that long to remove all the egg from your face after your embarrassingly knee jerk defense of the media and al Reuters re: Qana?

"Have a good day Anagadir, If the jews keep behaving like they do now, your day will come. Be assured!
Posted by: Tom | August 6, 2006 11:45 AM"

Tom,
So you fully understand, I am totally against Israel. Olmert, in spirit and attitude, is the reincarnation of Hitler. He would kill many more Arabs if he had the chance, especially if Bush continues to be his Little, Drunk Side-Kick. Even Condo Rice wishes she would be on the Moon right now. She is absolutely discusted with US foreign policy. Interestingly enough though, what Olmert has done now is to completely reunite the Arab World and they will not rest until Israel is of the map! Quite frankly, can't say I blame them.

anagadir,
Me too- totally against israel!

Please take a look at the following site- they are the only ones who are telling the truth about the massacres and war crimes israel is committing in lebanon and palestine.

The site:

antiwar.com

I hope that all those people who care about truth and justice would support the fine people behind this site! please tell your friends about it and encourage them to support it.

Me too- totally against israel!

Israhell, the death gift that keeps on giving!

Here is a couple of recomended excellent sites:

1.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm

(american patriot friends network)- read about the mossad and AIPAC roles in facilitating 9/11-

2.

jewwath.com

Extensive materials and archives about zionist massacres and atrocities- and much more!!!

Its rather:

jewwatch.com

Muslims are not innocent but they react against injustice with violence. They can be easily provoked. Israel uses that tendencies against palestenians and mozzad constantly keep these war going.

It is quiet clear that palestenians are tortured and humiliated by israelis for 60 years. It is unfortunate that world knows about and be impotent against these evil force.

Jews does evil things just like muslim. Muslim does it because they are stupid idol worship of koran. Jews does it because they know they can dupe the world.

WORLD WAR III is coming. It will be MUSLIMS against the world.

It will be jews(America and israel) against rest of the world.

I can see china and russia nuking tel aviv and wipe out israel.

Because teh growth of israel willl endanger chinese and russian influence in middle east.

Jews are becoming evil as hitler predicted.

Jews are source of death of humanity.

Middle East Peace Plan:
1. Syria and Iran stop supplying weapons and financing Hezbollah and Hammas, if the USA stops supplying weapons to Israel.
2. Hezbollah, Hammas and all Palestinian factions lay down their weapons and agree to the right for Israel to exist, and live as peaceful neighbors if Israel gives up all occupied land and resorts back to it's original borders established at the time of it's birth.
3. The International community rebuilds and "regreens" the Palestinian state.

Israel is the one keep the war continues using Mozzad sponsored terrorism on its own civilains and then blame it on Palestenians.

Why ? More terrorist acts , more ways they can bulldoze palestenians and crush them like they are grasshoppers. I did n't sya those , one of past osraeli prime minister.

So you know. Evil convince the world it does n't exist. Well it is exposed. It is israel.

M. Gandhi:

It's beyond peace for the Israelis now. They want as much land as they can possibly get. That was the reason behind Arafat rejecting the offers made by Israel (Israel was offering scraps). If the Israelis really wanted peace, they would have at least been glad about the Arab Leagues offer of full recognition in return for a withdrawal to the 67 borders (more land then they would have had under the 48 plan). Now, on the back of 911 (and the hysteria against Muslims it generated), they want to paint all Arabs as terrorists who cannot be negotiated with, and unilaterally set their borders and usurp as much land as possible in the process.

I WISH ALL YOU JEW-HATERS AND ANTI-ISRAEL IDIOTS WOULD JUST SHUT UP ALREADY! ALL OF YOU COME ACROSS AS HORRIBLE, EVIL AND PATHETIC PEOPLE. YOU ARE WORSE THAN THE PEOPLE YOU CRITICIZE. THROUGHOUT HISTORY, THE JEWISH PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PERSECUTED, AND THEY HAVE ALWAYS SURVIVED. THEY WILL SURVIVE THIS, AND THE REST OF THE WORLD WILL JUST HAVE TO OPEN ITS EYES TO THE DANGERS OF RADICAL ISLAM. THE RADICAL MUSLIMS HAVE NO RIGHT TO CRITICIZE ANYONE - - - JUST LOOK HOW THEY BEHAVE. IF THEY DON'T LIKE SOMETHING SOMEONE SAYS OR DOES, THEY KILL HIM OR HER. GREAT RELIGION! HOW MANY COUNTLESS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED WORLDWIDE BY THE SPREAD OF RADICAL ISLAM? WHY DON'T YOU TAKE A LOOK AND MAYBE YOU'LL SEE HOW DANGEROUS MANY MUSLIMS ARE. HOW DARE ALL OF YOU SPOUT YOUR HATRED ON THIS BLOG. WHAT A STUPID BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES!!!

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

Pakistan a terror university?.

Seems like it.

They(ISI) train people and send them to west and tip the govt and get the goodwill of the west.

Now the game will fail one day and another 9/11 will happen because of pakistan.

All pakistan want is free ride in terrorism against india.

Well sooner or later america has to remove nukes from pakistan. The more israel and america attacks muslims countries , there are elements in pakistan intellence wing may allow few nukes smuggle out in its ships to usa.

Pakistan may want to protect itself from israel , so it is quiet possible there is few nukes sitting there in newyork and will wait for the order.

Never underestimate muslims. They are willing to die for islam. Anything is possible.

Jews and muslims are same. They are both side of evil coin.

Pro-Israel and Proud of it!

"THROUGHOUT HISTORY, THE JEWISH PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PERSECUTED, AND THEY HAVE ALWAYS SURVIVED. THEY WILL SURVIVE THIS, AND THE REST OF THE WORLD WILL JUST HAVE TO OPEN ITS EYES TO THE DANGERS OF RADICAL ISLAM."

Then why does Israel fight its neighbors and claim that it is fighting for its very existence?

When the majority of the Jews lived in Europe, Christianity was their enemy. And now about half live in ME and Islam is their enemy. Could it be that the Jews simply are paranoid and need lots of medication and therapy (I don't mean all the Jews - just their extremist leaders).

To "Anti-Israel..."

"Could it be that the Jews simply are paranoid and need lots of medication and therapy (I don't mean all the Jews - just their extremist leaders)."

I'm so glad you qualified your statement by referring to the extremist leaders instead of all the Jews. Whew! Good you cleared that up.

Geez - you really show your intelligence with the statements you made. Let me explain something to you (since you obviously need some help)... CHRISTIANITY and ISLAM came AFTER Judaism, and the Jewish people have always refused to convert to those religions. Perhaps that's why fanatics from these other religions have trouble with the Jews. That, and maybe some jealousy thrown in since Jews run the media, the American government, Hollywood and really the world, right? C'mon - admit it - for a people who are such a tiny percentage of the population, the Jews sure are a powerful lot, aren't they? Those people of the book are such a force to be reckoned with. Now, take the Muslims, for example, who are a peace-loving bunch. Around the world, their leaders try to spread peace and goodwill towards mankind by training followers to blow themselves into smithereens along with countless innocent people who happen to be innocent bystanders. There's the religion to follow... the religion of peace.

As for Israel's continual fighting with its neighbors . . . yeah - defending yourself against constant rocket attacks, suicide bombers, kidnapped soldiers from WITHIN your terrority, etc. does qualify as fighting. If Israel didn't have such bullies for "neighbors," they wouldn't have to have these "fights."

Pro israel,

Israel is occupying someones land. Israel should n't exist if you ask me.

I agree islam has a problem. I agree with many thing with israel except killing of civilians. That brute force method won't scare of muslims. it may temporarily stop rockets. It is a belief system intend to destroy jews.

The best way is move all jews to florida and leave muslims alone. Ship all muslims back to middle east from western countries.

Isolation makes them think.

The problem for WEST is this , if all muslsim start to think , that will be danger to west. So the plan is constant war and do not let any country think.

It is like a paradox.

Muslism states are anti democratic. But at the same time WEST do not want muslim states to be demcratic. They may say they want muslim state to be democratic. But they also realize that by being democratic , they may start to think and by nature islam is violence. They may start to find a weapon to neutralize west nukes.

That is the reason constant pressure applied on muslim states to be in WAR. Even though wets blames muslims for war but it is the west is provoking muslims states. The plan is simple , bomb them gradually and keep the war going. West wants to spread the war for century and it will keep the war economy of west flourish.

It is fight between ideologies. It never ends unless one is crushed completely.

"kidnapped soldiers from WITHIN your terrority (sic)..."

Israel ha NO territory of its own. Wake up!
It is precisely the problem of israel- namley that it is an artificial country on someone else's land!

It is therefore only natural to reject (and indeed despise and hate) israel and its own evil existence.

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Blah blah blah. What you write has absolutely zero meaning after all the other garbage you have posted on this blog. We all know who and what you are. Look in the mirror and ask yourself what you actually contribute to humanity.

Yeah we also know who and what you are! We also know what your zionist people 'contribute' to humanity: terror and anguish.

At lease I don't keep on changing my identity (SM, athiest, etc., etc.) as you do, but I understand why you do it. As a worthless zionist, I am sure that you yourself even hate being who you and your people are.

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FYI- Believe it or not, I haven't changed my screen name. Hard to believe there's more than one supporter of Israel on this blog, isn't it???

I choose not to hate anyone. I do, however, have pity for you and other people like you. You subscribe to the worst kind of thinking. It is pathetic and inhumane. I wonder what happened during your childhood that caused you to turn into such a hateful person. What a shame - - - think of what you could have become.

I was struck by the casual reference to the genocidal implications of Israel's ongoing massacres in Lebanon, as laid out in an opinion piece in today's Post:

"As many informed observers have pointed out, Hezbollah has engrafted itself to the aims and aspirations of the Lebanese Shiite community so completely that Israel cannot destroy it without also destroying the community, with all the attendant political and moral costs."

Ah yes, those "attendant political and moral costs" of "destroying a community."

If this were any other nation whose strategy involved "destroying a community" we would not hesitate to label the crime for what it is: genocide.

How sad that Israel, a state founded by genocide survivors, is itself employing genocidal tactics in Lebanon today.

And how scandalous that our own nation, America, has been rushing in arms shipments to help Israel carry out its "final solution" against Lebanon's Shiites.

Dave -

First of all, the Washington Post is hardly in a position to comment OBJECTIVELY on this issue. Their reporting is almost always one-sided.

Second, "Hezbollah has engrafted itself to the aims and aspirations of the Lebanese Shiite community so completely" is just a euphemistic term for its attempts to dictate its policies and causes to the Lebanese people. Many of these people have been hijacked by a TERRORIST organization that uses them to its fullest extent. Hezbollah has no problem using these people as human shields, as propaganda, for staged dramas, etc. WHERE IS THE ACCOUNTABILITY OF HEZBOLLAH FOR THEIR ACTIONS?

Israel is NOT creating a genocide in Lebanon. They have actually exercised a lot of restraint. One of the reasons a number of the ground soldiers have been killed is that they've tried to ensure that civilian houses were empty before any attacks ensued, something that cannot be done by air.

No, the real enemy here is Hezbollah and ultimately, radical Islamic fundamentalists. Look how these people treat other human beings AROUND THE WORLD. Look at the laws they institute. Look at how they treat their women like second-class citizens. Watch and see what their message is and what they have in store for the rest of the modern world.

These radicals want to take away our personal freedoms and we should all be concerned.

"Let me explain something to you (since you obviously need some help)... CHRISTIANITY and ISLAM came AFTER Judaism, and the Jewish people have always refused to convert to those religions."

The Christian Zionists, the main ally of AIPAC, want to convert the Jews to their brand of Christianity (of course, they are a minority even in the Bible Belt). I am not aware of mainstream Christians or Muslims wanting to convert the Jews. In fact, both Christianity and Islam revere Moses as a prophet and respect Judaism - it is Judaism that does not recognize Jesus or Muhammad.

Well put, "anti-israel and proud of it" !

The Talmud is completely filled with vicious and hateful teachings against those who are not jewish, but especially against christians.

The Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Churches have denounced the Satanic nature of the Talmud, its racism and venomous hatred of non-Jews and have ordered its destruction and its public burning many times during the last millennium.

Take a look at the link below and see some of the hateful teachings of the Talmud:

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html

"As for Israel's continual fighting with its neighbors . . . yeah - defending yourself against constant rocket attacks, suicide bombers, kidnapped soldiers from WITHIN your terrority, etc. does qualify as fighting."

Israel "defending" its terrority? What terrortity are we talking about? The land that it stole from the native Arabs?????

The below text is from the website of The True Torah Jews Against Zionism who were and are against the creation of the state of Israel.

"The History of Zionism & Judaism
This text is from an article called "An Open Letter" published in the Jewish magazine, "Hachoma". We think it provides a good historical overview of the history of Zionism and why the Zionist ideology is opposed by religious Orthodox Jews.
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The Jewish people, from its inception, has been unique by its identity as a religious entity. Through the centuries its religious character had been a premise agreed upon by Jews and non-Jews alike. Our faith demands as the fundamental condition for recognition as a Jew, belief and adherence to the word of G-d, as was revealed to our forefathers on Mount Sinai. This is in itself, according to the tenets of the Jewish religion, sufficient to fulfill the definition of a Jew. Our religious and traditional history bears no aspect of racism. Hence, one of non-Jewish origin is capable of being proselytized and attaining the same status as a born Jew. Conversely, one of Jewish birth who does not recognize his being bound to the Jewish Torah, is by Jewish law a heretic, and therefore forfeits his spiritual birthrights as a Jew.

The purpose of the Jew is to bear witness to the existence of G-d, through his adherence to the Torah. The Al-mighty granted the Jews the land of Israel as the particular setting which would serve as the most conducive atmosphere to their performance of their duties to G-d.

The Jews in ancient times were banished from the land of Israel because they had failed to fulfill their obligations to the Al-mighty. Every Jew acknowledges this in his prayers (Umipnei Chatoeinu Golinu Meiartzeinu). They accepted the penalty of exile and were at that time expressed sworn by the Al-mighty not to accelerate their redemption on their own, and especially not to rebel against the nations under whose rule they were found. To the contrary, every Jew is commanded to pray for the peace and well being of the government of which he is the subject.

Through all the years of exile, pious Jews as individuals were attracted to reside in the Holy Land because of its innate holy character and the opportunity it offered for the observance of various precepts bound in the land. Jews as a whole continue to pray that the Al-mighty return his Divine presence to the Land of Israel, by the coming of the Messiah, who will build His Temple, from whence will emanate Divine Wisdom and ultimate spiritual fulfillment of the entire human race.

Through the many years that Jews resided in the Holy Land for this purpose, they enjoyed tranquil and cordial relations with the non-Jewish population there.

The Zionist movement which was formed at the latter part of the last century, sought to endow the Jews with a nationalistic character which was heretofore strange to them. It sought to deprive them of their historically religious character and offered in substitution of faith in G-d and adherence to the Torah, and belief in their ultimate redemption by the coming of the Messiah, a nationalistic ideology and the possibility of establishing through political media, a Jewish national homeland.

During the period of the British Mandate, the Balfour Declaration, which recognized the eventual possibility of founding a Jewish national homeland, in Palestine, was affirmed to be the British government. The Jewish Agency, who then was the Chief representative of Zionist interests in the Holy Land, was entrusted with the issuance of visas to the Holy Land, thus resulting in an increased Zionist immigration from various parts of the world, which ultimately succeeded in superceding in numbers, the veteran Orthodox dwellers.

Orthodox Jewry all over the world and the Orthodox Community in the Holy Land in particular, immediately sensed in this stage of Zionist success, the threat of grave danger for the religious future of Jews. The Arab inhabitants began to exhibit open hostility to their Jewish neighbors. The British government failed to distinguish between the Orthodox community, who for generations in habited the Holy Land, and the newly arrived Zionist immigrants.

With the acquisition by the Zionist nationalists of the power to organize communities in Palestine, they formed the Vaad Haleumi Leknesset Yisroel (National Jewish Council Committee). This committee ignored the rights of the Orthodox veteran dwellers who did not recognize this validity of Jewish nationality, and whose identification as Jews was solely with their loyalty to their religious heritage. The religious inhabitants, on the other hand, shuddered at the prospects of spiritual disintegration of World Jewry, with the new rise to power of the Zionist nationalists.

The Orthodox inhabitants actively objected to being subject to the authority of the secularists. They appealed their cause to the League of Nations, who consequently granted them a "Right of exclusion" to the subjugation to the Vaad Haleumi, which rights provided that any Jew wishing not to be incorporated into the Vaad Haleumi, may remain lawfully independent if he so stated his wish in writing. Thousands of Jews did so.

Such was the case until November 1948, when the United Nations finally sanctioned the establishment of a Zionist State. We do not doubt that their success in finally realizing their goal was due in great measure to their having misled the world into viewing the Zionist cause as the Jewish cause. The formation of the Zionist state resulted in the automatic deprivation of the autonomy heretofore possessed by the Orthodox inhabitants of the Holy Land.

The Zionists grasped in the acquisition of their new powers, the opportunity to openly disassociate themselves from any identification with Jews as a religion. They systematically began to orient the minds of their generations according to the tenets of Zionist nationalism. Through the Ministry of Religions they employed part of the Rabbinate to assist them in their aims.

The religious Jews who by virtue of their faith, clearly contradicted Zionist nationalism, and who had lived peacefully with their Arab neighbors for generations, became unwillingly identified with the Zionist cause and their struggle with the Arabs. They requested the United Nations that Jerusalem be designated as a defacto international city. They appealed to the diplocatic corps assigned to Jerusalem -- but to no avail. They were hence confronted with the choice of either becoming a part of the Zionist State, which diametrically opposed the interests of Jews as a religion, or abandoning the land of which their forefathers were the first Jewish settlers.

We find it of supreme importance to emphasize that we are fearful of the consequences of the Zionist rebellion against the Creator, as stated expressly in Jeremich, "For it is bad and bitter your renunciation of G-d..." We wish not to be affected by the behavior of this government who in the name of Israel, persist in their renunciation and utter disregard of religious Judaism such as is clearly attested by their laws expressly permitting wanton autopsies (Law of Anatomy and Pathology, 1953), forcible desecration of the Sabbath (Law of Emergency Labor Draft 1967: PPS 1, 19; 27, 36), profanation of Holy Sites by retaining non-religious custodians, desecration of Holy Cemetaries by Safed, Beth Shearim and elsewhere, and countless more examples, proof of which is readily available.

Insofar as all human being find necessary the protection of their rights as human beings, we hereby request all those that find it within their power, to aid us in reacquiring the rights we possessed prior to the formation of the Zionist State*, to remain lawfully independent of the Zionist authority."

The below are comments from Rabbi E Weissfish:

"We oppose the Zionists and their 'state' vigorously
and we continue our prayers for the dismantlement
of the Zionist 'state' and peace to the world."
N.B It should also be noted that the above points have been expressed by us on many occasions in the past through protests (many times together with Palestinians) and advertisements in major newspapers etc. We also ask anyone who can to please pass on the above message so that the mistaken notion that Judaism and Zionism are related will not spread.

(Although throughout history, even after our exile, there have always been Jews living in the Holy Land this is no contradiction to the above since they have always lived peacefully subordinate to the ruling nation without making any attempt to create a state or army as the Zionists have done, in fact even now there are many thousands of Jews living in the Holy Land who oppose the Zionist state and even refuse to accept monetary aid from the government or participate in their elections, Rabbi Moshe Hirsch of Jerusalem regularly meets with PLO leaders to publicize that it is the will of Orthodox Jews in the Holy Land to live under Palestinian not Zionist rule).

Many Jewish leaders do not subscribe to the zionist propaganda nor their deliberate attempts to spread paranoia among the Jews.

I guess it is up to you whether you like/accept yourself or not. Vast majority of Christians and Muslims accept Jews as good human beings and want to live in peace with them.

Anti-Israel -

So you found some radicals on the "other" side that you're free to quote. I don't believe in one word of what you quoted or in anything these people believe, so it means nothing to me.

"I guess it is up to you whether you like/accept yourself or not. Vast majority of Christians and Muslims accept Jews as good human beings and want to live in peace with them."

Of course it's up to me whether I like/accept myself or not. What a stupid comment. And of course, I love and accept myself and what I believe in. I believe in truth and honesty and treating people like human beings. I certainly don't believe in TERRORISTS whose only means of achieving their goals is through constant violence towards innocent people as it's happened time and time again in the Middle East and Asia. I don't believe that Israel is perfect, but I certainly don't condone the actions of most of the Muslim governments - the way they treat their citizens, the way women are treated, the corruption (i.e., Yasser Arafat's pilfering of millions, maybe billions, of dollars from the Palestinian people), etc. etc. I'm in doubt about whether or not the vast majority of Muslims accept Jews and want to live in peace with them... or anyone else who's not Muslim for that matter. Open your eyes please!

Anti-Israel -

"So you found some radicals on the "other" side that you're free to quote. I don't believe in one word of what you quoted or in anything these people believe, so it means nothing to me."

Please read the article below and see how many Jewish intellectuals are on the "other" side now.

Ayoon Wa Azan (Isreal, Lebanon and Palestine)
Jihad el-Khazen Al-Hayat - 14/08/06//

I have written more than once about the worst kind of pro-Israel intellectual extremism that amounts to complicity in crime. However, we are not lacking in friends. Our friends around the world have better personal and intellectual reputations than the Israeli 'gang of evil'.

I would like to introduce the reader to some names, such as Tariq Ali, John Berger, Noam Chomsky, Eduardo Galeano, Naomi Klein, Harold Pinter, Arundhati Roy, José Saramago and Howard Zinn. May I ask how we can compare people like these to people like William Kristol, Frank Gaffney, Daniel Pipes, Michael Ledeen, Alan Dershowitz, Ken Adelman and other pro-Israel extremist apologists?

Before I continue, I hope the reader notices the number of Jews in the first list. Jews in Israel and around the world, especially in the US, are moderate liberals who want a peaceful solution. The extremists among them are a minority. However, they wield an enormous influence. Since the beginning of 2001, this group of extremists has been steering US foreign policy to serve Israel.

Chomsky and his colleagues issued a statement called: 'Israel, Lebanon and Palestine', in which they held Israel fully responsible for the fighting and killings in Palestinian territories. They said that the recent conflict began after Israeli forces abducted two civilians, a doctor and his brother, from Gaza. An incident barely reported anywhere but the Turkish press. The following day, the Palestinians captured an Israeli soldier - and proposed to negotiate an exchange for the prisoners taken by Israel - (there are approximately 10,000 men and women in Israeli prisons).

The signatories said that the incident was a 'kidnapping', whereas the illegal military occupation and the systematic appropriation of natural resources - more specifically, that of water - is a fact of life. This is typical of the double standards repeatedly employed by the West, which ignores the suffering of the Palestinians.

I read the statement on Chomsky's website, and then I read it in French in 'Le Monde'. The statement concludes by condemning the occupation and accusing Israel of attempting to liquidate the Palestinian people.

Has the reader heard of Paul Craig Roberts? He was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He is a co-author of 'The Tyranny of Good Intentions'. I have read three consecutive articles written by Roberts, reflecting his sense of injustice against the Lebanese and the Palestinians, and his embarrassment for his country's role in the Israeli crimes.

In one article entitled: 'The Shame of Being an American', Roberts accused Israel of ethnic cleansing in southern Lebanon. He enumerated Israel's crimes against Lebanon in its entirety, which we are fully familiar with. Addressing the Americans, Roberts added that they are not aware of these crimes because the US media do not report them.

He then spoke about the US administration and Congress which supported the Israeli offensive. The whole article is worth a literal interpretation, because it is a condemnation by an honest US citizen, who is not a party in the conflict like us.

The other two articles were of the same level of intellectual excellence. 'Israel's Criminal Accomplice' and 'Will Americans Join Iraqis, Lebanese and Palestinians as Neocon Victims?' were an explicit condemnation of the Bush administration, substantiated by evidence. If the reader thinks that I talk too much about these extremists, he can only ask me for Roberts' article on the menace posed by these extremists to his country and the world.

Yvonne Ridley wrote an article headlined: 'Defense of the Indefensible', in which she responded to the supporters of Israel who justify its crimes. I think that she made a 'pleading' acceptable by any impartial court. Her argument proves that Israel is a terrorist State that was founded on terror and is still practicing it.

In London, Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, a moderate writer who migrated to Britain from Uganda when she was a child, wrote an article accusing Israel of practicing racism against the Arabs in its war on the Palestinians and the Lebanese. She brought to mind the words of the great Jewish scientist, Hugh Blaschko, who raised her and was grieved by the establishment of the State of Israel because it would make the Jews radical nationalists.

Peter J. Lynch responded to hardliner Larry Kudlow's 'We Are All Israelis Now' in the radical 'National Review' with his "No, We're Not 'All Israelis Now'". Lynch confuted Kudlow's unacceptable allegations about Israel and the Arabs. In my opinion, Lynch managed to dumbfound Kudlow.

Stephen Glover said, as a friend of Israel, that he had to tell the Israelis: 'The greatest casualty of the war will be your own country'. He warned them of exaggeration, insisting that Hezbollah, Syria and Iran are not a threat to the existence of Israel.

Jonathan Steele wrote 'Only Hizbollah Can Defend against an Israeli Invasion', and said that attempts to impose an international force threaten with the destruction of Lebanon and the return of a civil war.

John Pilger, a renowned British writer, wrote: 'Empire: War and Propaganda'. He argued that the role of the US in supporting the Israeli offensive on Lebanon falls into a pattern of imperial tyranny, where history is rewritten to suit America's needs, while Europe stands cravenly by.

Before writing today, I knew that the column would be overloaded with our friends around the world, or the friends of Truth and Righteousness. I would like to conclude with some writers whom I do not classify as friends. We do not need friends as much as we need fairness. An impartial writer will definitely stand by the Palestinians, the Lebanese and all the Arabs.

Among the best articles I have read were those written by David Ignatius and Richard Cohen in the 'Washington Post'. Ignatius called for negotiations with Iran, and suggested ways to save the Cedar Revolution. Cohen wrote about Israel's hard-to-bear history. He said the greatest mistake Israel could make at the moment is to forget that Israel itself is a mistake. It is an honest mistake, a well-intentioned mistake, which has transported the Jews and the Europeans to a land where they are unwelcome by its people.

It may surprise the reader to add Dennis Ross, the former Peace Process co-ordinator. He is much better than the Washington Institute for Near East Policy that he chaired. He has moderate opinions reflected in his writings. I disagree with him on some views, but I accept some of them. I await his next article. This was my opinion on his proposals to break the stalemate in the Gaza Strip

"Anti-Israel..."

You're not convincing me of anything using all those words and listing other prominent outspoken Jews. So what? They have their opinions, and they're certainly free to express them. I find those people to be left-wing radicals who are detrimental to Israel and its right to exist. Try again please.

the real reason why Israel is invading Lebanon is not because they want their two captured soldiers back but because they want to control the Litani River. The waters of this river are the hidden reason for this conflict- it's not war about religion or Hizbollah. Israel wants to control the area south of the river because they need water which is sparce in Israel

Isabel-
You are mistaken about the so-called control by Israel of the Litani River. Water may be scarce, but Israel has found other ways to use its resources wisely. They are able to grow crops hydoponically in the DESERT with great success. If you truly believe that Israel risked the lives of their soldiers and the citizens of two countries solely for water, you are sadly deluded.

No, Israel merely wants what every country should want for its citizens - peace, security and prosperity. With a terrorist organization on its border, those things can never be had.

what Israel wants is power and control- the Litani River is one thing that proves it- one really cannot bring peace, prosperity and security into the nation by the means of war, can he?

The self-addmitted fascist Pro-Israel wrote:

"Water may be scarce, but Israel has found other ways to use its resources wisely. They are able to grow crops hydoponically in the DESERT with great success."

Hydroponically means to grow plants in a nutrient rich solution. "Solution" implies water or some other solvent for the nutrients to dissolve into. In other words you HAVE to have water. You don't need dirt.

So give back all the land you stole, and we'll give you enough water for your hydroponic plantings.

Good point about land and water Anonymous. I wouldn't call him a fascist though. Facism is a dictatorial form of government. Israel just has an Theocratic Oligarchy. He is a racist though.

To Anonymous who so arrogantly attempted to correct me about hydroponic crops. Let me just add that hydroponic crops are grown with far less water than conventional crops. The word hydroponics--from the Greek words "hydro" (water) and "ponos" (to work)--literally means "working water." In hydroponics, the water does the work because it brings all the necessary nutrients directly to the plant. (In soil, the plant has to do the work by developing an extensive root system to obtain its nutrients). Due to this difference, plants grow much faster in a hydroponic garden than in a soil garden, and they usually produce greater and more consistent yields in a smaller amount of space. Another major advantage to hydroponics is the reduced water usage: you use one tenth the water in hydroponics that you do in soil gardening. (Did you read that last part???)

My original point was that Israel doesn't need to take control of the Litani River for its water supply because they've used their brain power to find ways to make water work for them. Besides, if they wanted control of the river, they would have and could have overtaken it years ago. Maybe you should climb down from your high horse now.

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MY high horse?

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You support state terrorism, and I have a tall horse?

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Whew!

Hate to get in the middle of this incredibly productive exchange, but as far as hydroponics go, they have been around for several thousands of years. There is evidence that the Ancient Egyptians used Hydroponics, and there is a theory that the Hanging Gardens of Babylon were hydroponic as well.

So much for the Israelis using their brain power, I guess they used techniques perfected by the terrorist arabs. OOPS

Thom,
I agree with you. Its just the typical zionist/ jewish supremacists racist mentality where they always know better (and more) than the rest of the "goyim". The truth is that most everything they know/ have is by aquiring it from their host countries where they get their education and money, etc. Nothing in israel would have been had it not been for the poor american taxpayer money, anyway.
To say little of blackmailing western nations in general for the alleged holyhoax.

C-

Keep your Nazi comments to yourself. You should be in hiding instead of posting such ridiculous garbage. Everyone knows what kind of person you must be.

Too much here about either pro-Israel OR pro-Arab. Let's dig a little deeper - it is really the Europeans that killed many Jews during WW2 (yes, everybody helped Hitler Germany), then in 1945 encouraged the surviving Jews to steal land from the Arabs as kind of a "consolidation" price but now again are nowhere to be found during this Israel - Lebanon war. Why are the Europeans such cowards. The Dutch for instance will not be sending any soldiers to the Midle East as part of the UN ("no, we are VERY busy with foreign Aid in Africa"). The French will be sending only 200 soldiers (provided all the disclaimers are handled diplomaticly). Do you really expect the Arab nations to thrust the "Western" countries? Do you really expect Israel to wait patiently for European Guidance in solving this problem? Meanwhile this fighting will worsen and don't be surprised if it extends to Western Countries. As Spinoza said some 350 years ago: "A coward is its own worst enemy!" This Israel/Lebanon thing is far from over. Welcome to the club, Europe!

C

"Nothing in israel would have been had it not been for the poor american taxpayer money, anyway."

Could not have sad it any better!

There's Dana Milbank, head propagandist for the Israel-right-or-wrong crowd, in today's Post -- smearing John Mearsheimer Stephen Walt as anti-Semites, without ever addressing the thrust of their argument -- that U.S. security interests have been gravely harmed by the undue influence of the Zionist lobby in Washington.
If Mr. Milbank thinks that by doing exactly what Israel wanted in Iraq, on the Occupied Territories, and more recently on Lebanon, the U.S. government has somehow enhanced U.S. security interests, I'd be interested in hearing how that's so.
I'm far less interested in Milbank's dark and baseless insinuations about anti-Semitism and Mearsheimer's and Walt's "Germanic-sounding names."
Dana Milbank may have his own "attachment" to the cause of Israel but fair-minded people can see through his smears. Milbank's singular failure to address the central thesis advanced by Mearsheimer and Walt, despite his eagerness to discredit them, suggests there's something else at play here.

Exactly Antonio - The empire strikes back -slow character assasination is the order of the day - that article was gargabe - my God they mispronounced two names - Hang 'em high!!

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